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Christopher Hitchens on Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan, and Economics (1987)



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and
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the without outside go ahead
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people removed from the countryside
marketed
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the f
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my dot
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what you have the
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birth father
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called coffee a day
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so all baat
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the for marketplaces
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way but they cannot so somewhat headlong
blasted
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at also grateful to those who spent the
entire day in that
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that also said
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how much yet
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these involving our security
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packard
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save aren't out to be returned once
again to represent the constituency all
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seems to me
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farrakhan
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that they
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secure the garbage they have to tell me
once again
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collected
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the calmly ha in this town
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and the democratic decathlete
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is the
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walter fifty percent off
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debate is satisfactory
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that also fine
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are will
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those who have supporting
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in my home
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mentors included
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dedication
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basketball possibly having blood
unrealistic
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president
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jeremy sure merck what is the
re-election of margaret thatcher mean
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for the united states
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in my judgment they're going to be
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three main consequences festival
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it will get rid of the degree of
uncertainty about
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uh... nato and american bases in britain
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which have been introduced by the labor
party is campaign
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secondly it seems to me
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uh... mean that there will be a
continuation all
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uh... the expectation the public britain
at least of the special relationship
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with the united states
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under can be a a certain degree of
expectation on the part of the u_s_
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government but the will be in
international affairs ablaze in britain
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which will be just generally in support
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of united states policy
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thirdly
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uh... but this becomes a little on
something
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that is the
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element in of fascism approach
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which is looking to the united states as
the mobile
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uh... from which britain mainland and so
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uh... in this particular aspect there's
no into flattery up all of the united
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states and also a certain degree of
compatibility in ideology and outlook
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with with the present your stuff
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christopher hitchens same question
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what does a reelection of margaret
thatcher mean for america
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will doesn't alter the time
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that there is still in britain large
majority in favor of the removal of my
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braces
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if the election to be known that alone
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uh... nobody would have won it
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it's to the events
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so unsure rather they couldn't make that
the issue if that would be a c jeremy
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would be awfully wrong
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majority of my fellow countrymen women
don't want
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to be an outpost of ronald reagan's
foreign policy which brings me to the
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second implication
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which is off the leader of the free
world and present united states and
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uh...
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chief executive made such a completion
abject fool of himself and of your
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country
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in uh... venice what exactly referred
i'm referring to his inability to
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concentrate to remember to muster even
the
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poultry knowledge of it but it seems
that an average newspaper it would
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happen in the same
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the same classical uh... incompetence
this
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that he'd manifest him
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that we see him
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towards the tail end of the dismissal
presidency
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and then we see in the wings is
extraordinary moment
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who has never really accepted yet have
written a second-rate in any sense of
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time
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and who really don't
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i think begin to
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green herself for the world of elder
statesman
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of the west and um... having seen the
division and and i i can't uh...
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icon in any way cause you to look for to
it
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uh... spreading as a general thing
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eyes talked like to talk a little bit
about style just watch that clip
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where the prime minister was speaking
and what we might call
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heckling
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is coming from other members of
parliament we would find that very
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strange
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uh... but what does happen on occasions
not to the prime minister
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um... describe how that works
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opiates very much part of the british
political tradition that's to say that
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that
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there's expectation that uh... anyone
holding a senior project position in
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britain and indeed uh... in who's in the
house of parliament
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uh... would be able
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stand up and edit use
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in a public place would be it would be
indeed expect
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to receive heckling will be able to make
good use of it and
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there's a further carry over to that
which is that it's a feature of the
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british political system
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that margaret thatcher has to face
question time houses
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uh... of comes on a regular basis as do
all covenant unwell uh...
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indeed the the sorts of problems
concerning prison break into which
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christopher was referring
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uh... alos maturity one couldn't imagine
a uh... a senior figure in british
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politics
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uh... encountering a toll on the grounds
that if if someone wasn't in a position
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to handle some pretty tough questioning
they could no longer
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does that bother them much i mean do
they respond to those remarks or did
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they just
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usually continue going on
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had i been country i would have been one
of the fact was not able to come up with
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something someone keep a better than
they were all that sort of loutish in
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two directions that they managed i have
in my time i liked but not
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are for that to you side
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too much problem of the most in in
between the balkans and ominous since
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war
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seven his memos to you used to sometimes
don't have to be sick before facing
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question times commons
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maybe new items i wouldn't have known to
look at him that so seriously they have
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to take it i quite liked to record maj
in right
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i noticed though that uh...
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she avoided one of uh... the conventions
these
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counts where you graciously accept
victory him she completely forgot to
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thank our opponents
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for fighting the clean and decent an
excellent an admirable campaign and i
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must say
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i fear that that's a
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notice deported for the future very much
part of the present stalinistic forget
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lauren
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people country with this anyone
disagrees
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british election is over and margaret
thatcher is one of the stork third term
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tonight will be discussing now for about
the next ninety minutes
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and our guests are two experts and i
guess you know by now they're both from
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england germ issuer murry senior
research fellow now for the institution
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main studies at george mason university
here in fairfax virginia
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and christopher hitchens is washington
correspondent for the nation and the new
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statesman
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we'd like to first start off by a
talking about how big was margaret
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thatcher's victories for as the majority
working majority shall have in
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parliament
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but as i understand it
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because the two being given at the
moment is that you have an overall
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majority of between
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a hundred and four hundred and six
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these is done a lot about forty on what
you have before
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on the other hand uh... it was pretty
clear that that no one i think was
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expecting that you get a majority quite
its launch
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uh... eat it
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has come to a shop
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as a shock not just the pundits but also
its particular last night from shots on
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on u_s_ television
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if members of the incumbent
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uh... it will make deed
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squalls that of seats that that is being
what will make no practical difference
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that all in terms of the conducting
policy
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politics in britain
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that is still that a good working
majority
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yeah i think i would i would give it to
a time oxfam
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one who is in prison
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uh...
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uh...
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economist of the country
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tempestuous palm
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to get a third mandate
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at this level
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uh... is kazakhstan to has to be found
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if she hasn't personally popularity do
it
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because uh...
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and i'm sorry to keep on contrasting
accepted free world
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who she would rather be respected the
night
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i might be of
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for example ronald reagan's he's a
person who bubble which is to be loved
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that should not income about to tree
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mom's respect and there you can find
many people in britain who do not like
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uh... including large number of members
of her own party in two different
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cabinet personally find testable
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you will not find anyone who thinks
she's contemptible
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uh... or figure for
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and i went chicago
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tell me about margaret thatcher's
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governments for his her policies
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noble ronald reagan's policies
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describe
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what it's like in britain
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under thatcher
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under-thirty regime
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there's been a deliberate attempt to
trying
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to chef
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britons
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institutions
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in the direction of a more market-based
society
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in the expectation that this will give
more opportunity
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everybody
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this has been accomplished by mrs
thatcher in the conservative party from
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walt in certain respects is not to
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uh...
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healthy a starting point
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well i mean by that is that
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typically conservative supporters will
be people who
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more wide-open change
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uh... who certainly made the
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uh... it with the business background
ball all concerns about sold
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uh... but who wouldn't necessarily the
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to opened to the kind of radicalism that
that missus thatcher's approach in
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certain respects espouses
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what she's done has been commented on
from quite a wide perspective
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is to combines uh...
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an appeal in the economic area of great
deal of radicalism together with a
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reaffirmation
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uh... all
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a traditional values
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together also with
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a certain uh... kind all
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patriotic approach in matters of foreign
policy
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which the falkland islands i think was
predicted convenient lost time for
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positive is a very distinctive package
is being put together a uh... and
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special it's something which was
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has managed to push through
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changes which i guess a number of people
who falls in britain would would would
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have been pretty difficult to push
through
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but which them really does have uh...
youth union quite distinctive elements
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to it
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and many other things you just mentioned
sound very much like paul reagan's
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philosophy
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yes except that um...
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reagan promised people instant
gratification said everything's going to
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be a pain
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we should stop feeling bad about
ourselves we should feel good again we
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should congratulate
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on another
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and ourselves all the time
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and you deserve
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morin i'm gonna give it to you would
have to pay taxes
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but getting it
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uh... you can now see the consequence
with the deficit and with the devi
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result in some start many other
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unpleasant consequences that we are i
think not very long finding out about
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uh... with such as we know the
difference she promised people sacrifice
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and pain she said the countries being
rotting
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in mediocrity for long-time campaign
itself
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warnaco and i'm gonna turn the cold
shower on all of you
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i think she actually wouldn't have
minded turning its
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onto everybody but missus passed about
it
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country
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i come from it doesn't color
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and the most vivid impression i find
returning henderson
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is how a piece of this that
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and how people who used to be
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poor now really grateful of people who
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understood seasonal unemployment now
out-of-work perhaps forever
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will have never had
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pal um...
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all that kind of things become a great
deal more severe and social
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and racial
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regional visions
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com
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german you agree with that assessment
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christopher's correcting some of what he
said
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but i'm not sure
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to what extent of whether all problems
which is indicated
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they can really be
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properly held to be the responsibility
of the conservative party
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might went there really is the number of
the uh... of the problems particularly
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all
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unemployment of uh... of the structural
kind and some
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divisions
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uh... which has fallen particularly
heavily on some regions is something
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which is far as i can see
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any government with the ground
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unless it's really very difficult to see
how in a sentence
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uh... you can't do much different
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from what the present government is done
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uh... grown to the present government
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uh... acted uh... in a more
precipitously
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uh... unserved certain things which
might possibly have been handled wall
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smoothing over a longer period
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uh... have been face more quickly
0:13:21.810,0:13:24.180
the difficult he wants the that
0:13:24.180,0:13:25.500
i guess you could say that
0:13:25.500,0:13:29.540
that those very sectors of britain's
economy could be nana in a long period
0:13:29.540,0:13:31.390
of decline
0:13:31.390,0:13:35.080
which started before the second world
war they got it done pretty bruised from
0:13:35.080,0:13:35.700
uh...
0:13:35.700,0:13:38.840
the conditions immediately after the
second world war problems really weren't
0:13:38.840,0:13:40.330
would never got to grips with
0:13:40.330,0:13:43.670
and it's not clear to me that that it
really does politically to point the
0:13:43.670,0:13:44.960
finger at mrs thatcher and say
0:13:44.960,0:13:48.320
how terrible these things are when it's
just not fair that the the really is an
0:13:48.320,0:13:50.360
alternative
0:13:50.360,0:13:53.480
putting your calls in just a few moments
there must be listed throughout the show
0:13:53.480,0:13:56.840
at the bottom of the screen and it will
uh... like settled came in about five
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minutes
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before then we're gonna run a clip of
some b_b_c_ coverage from last night's
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election
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let's have the latest
0:14:05.460,0:14:09.230
forecast on the basis of that user by
david that's built up a forecast all
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about the radio
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the conservatives three item fifty one
forty two a lot of them pile up that
0:14:13.870,0:14:18.030
fortitude unavailable for everybody to
one forty nine opt for the the alliance
0:14:18.030,0:14:22.050
for the six down one and the others
pretty fault plus three as just that
0:14:22.050,0:14:25.730
there wasn't too and see what we're
forecasting currently the liberals in
0:14:25.730,0:14:27.030
the s_d_p_ will take eight
0:14:27.030,0:14:29.720
singles since the levels we say donavan
0:14:29.720,0:14:30.610
the s_d_p_
0:14:30.610,0:14:32.610
considering with it they had a nail
polish
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yellowstone default opt freeware four
prostitutes for international body wins
0:14:36.429,0:14:38.010
in scotland
0:14:38.010,0:14:41.230
they desperately in mostar the new york
chamber of the house of commons of let's
0:14:41.230,0:14:44.800
see what it looks like there we are in
the side of the couple's chamber
0:14:44.800,0:14:48.400
businesses that are on the government
benches wrong i think that is the three
0:14:48.400,0:14:49.600
of them that they want
0:14:49.600,0:14:53.360
the labor party mister taylor onto
forty-nine and all the opposition
0:14:53.360,0:14:56.360
together subtract them from the
conservatives and you've got the
0:14:56.360,0:15:00.580
forecast conservative majority now david
of fifty two
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you just mentioned about money pipeline
courage what do you think of that
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i'd just one thing i've noticed since
the last election and and witness the
0:15:07.649,0:15:10.050
increasing dominance of bridgeport by
what
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we call american type
0:15:13.280,0:15:16.740
opinion polls on every front page and a
leading every
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useful
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computer graphics
0:15:19.790,0:15:23.370
photo opportunity politicians who never
really can speak shizzle
0:15:23.370,0:15:26.790
have press conferences i i don't think
that deserves the name of american
0:15:26.790,0:15:28.420
myself because america
0:15:28.420,0:15:32.950
is a thoughtful and democratic country
but the style of rasmus facebook
0:15:32.950,0:15:36.870
probably originated at two and it's
taken over in the b_b_c_ my god i mean
0:15:36.870,0:15:39.350
can you imagine on cbbc
0:15:39.350,0:15:41.640
behaving like a discotheque
0:15:41.640,0:15:44.340
that coverage seemed to have a lot more
emotion and i think
0:15:44.340,0:15:48.100
you find that most u_s_
0:15:48.100,0:15:50.910
gets just a moment of excitement and
certainly one of the things that i
0:15:50.910,0:15:53.380
missed being over here is really the the
0:15:53.380,0:15:54.509
experiences
0:15:54.509,0:15:56.850
of staying up and getting quite excited
even
0:15:56.850,0:15:59.209
it you can at home about the uh...
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progressively recently
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is with the move to think vision
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just wait till we get that one of the
straight-laced means
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our first call from chesterton indiana
you're on
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or harder
0:16:13.890,0:16:17.090
it looked like the left-wing is in
trouble all over
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repair whatever their problem here too
0:16:19.430,0:16:23.390
and i think that chris ear infection
near you know about nakki
0:16:23.390,0:16:27.650
and i propose we can expect you to be
even more perhaps than usual this
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evening
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anyway where you applicants
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or a quick
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you know hidden uh...
0:16:39.980,0:16:44.270
paltalk our party here in this country
called
0:16:44.270,0:16:47.740
uh... uh... democratic
0:16:47.740,0:16:50.150
we have several up in the dark progress
0:16:50.150,0:16:52.200
on the democratic side
0:16:52.200,0:16:54.780
interpol votes are
0:16:54.780,0:16:57.670
social also democrat
0:16:57.670,0:16:59.030
sort of a reverse
0:16:59.030,0:17:00.910
english fair but uh...
0:17:00.910,0:17:04.250
i think sound very much
0:17:04.250,0:17:09.199
they they're not identified here within
your country
0:17:09.199,0:17:13.020
we really do have pre-party
0:17:13.020,0:17:16.279
uh... this carefully avoided whenever
this
0:17:16.279,0:17:20.400
is mentioned i think kidnapping rock
with pre-party
0:17:20.400,0:17:23.570
but i think it's rather
0:17:23.570,0:17:28.700
not really sinister overtones that
0:17:28.700,0:17:32.150
all porto shelley
0:17:32.150,0:17:34.400
first call
0:17:34.400,0:17:35.139
uh...
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the democrats issues of america doesn't
0:17:38.450,0:17:41.890
uh... have the resources to run it
0:17:41.890,0:17:44.750
but you're right in saying that
0:17:44.750,0:17:47.630
board members of their policy
0:17:47.630,0:17:51.080
and a number of members of congress
including cardinal members of black
0:17:51.080,0:17:53.920
caucus
0:17:53.920,0:17:58.030
will come to the essay convention would
endorse a p_s_a_
0:17:58.030,0:18:02.070
motion for debate of the democratic
convention what the uh... deus est says
0:18:02.070,0:18:04.460
it's like
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like the labor party was in britain
0:18:06.360,0:18:07.380
um...
0:18:07.380,0:18:11.690
about seventy years ago writes to say
the day but we know the liberal party
0:18:11.690,0:18:14.560
to a long time before they build up
enough strength
0:18:14.560,0:18:19.420
declare a labor party on their own and i
think it will take them
0:18:19.420,0:18:21.200
it would be a short time
0:18:21.200,0:18:25.780
record democrats versus america
0:18:25.780,0:18:28.150
martin is california you're on
0:18:28.150,0:18:35.150
it dinosaur case eric wright had old
extract
0:18:59.030,0:19:01.540
the celtics awful from it
0:19:01.540,0:19:05.720
first of all in terms of weapons i'd
like to go back
0:19:05.720,0:19:09.270
some of the opening comments that chris
was making because uh... i think that
0:19:09.270,0:19:14.620
that he's quite right but there is much
less enthusiasm in britain for uh...
0:19:14.620,0:19:16.870
nuclear weapons uh...
0:19:16.870,0:19:18.430
uh... all complete
0:19:18.430,0:19:22.299
prospect of of threats that they use and
so on the than is
0:19:22.299,0:19:27.540
from uncertain and some of the major in
the united states and the while
0:19:27.540,0:19:29.040
conservative party
0:19:29.040,0:19:35.030
uh... certainly uh... has falls on the
program all uh... retaining u_s_ bases
0:19:35.030,0:19:38.730
and their also committed to
0:19:38.730,0:19:40.500
continuing
0:19:40.500,0:19:44.960
the orders for the triton weapons and
0:19:44.960,0:19:46.860
i think that birds
0:19:46.860,0:19:48.049
even though that that
0:19:48.049,0:19:51.019
uh... even within the ranks of the
conservative party tecnimont this
0:19:51.019,0:19:52.900
amongst younger people
0:19:52.900,0:19:56.170
there's a much greater willingness to
look very seriously uh... issues and
0:19:56.170,0:20:01.090
disarmament uh... the movie common in
the united states those so that found to
0:20:01.090,0:20:05.580
come directly on this matter to the
court to the first part of the question
0:20:05.580,0:20:09.450
i think that it would be wrong need to
take
0:20:09.450,0:20:11.739
kind of endorsements
0:20:11.739,0:20:16.120
uh... that one go through the british
election of
0:20:16.120,0:20:17.919
conservative parties police's
0:20:17.919,0:20:20.809
uh... as being done her support for
uh...
0:20:20.809,0:20:24.750
uh... american lines on this and
certainly i don't think that while
0:20:24.750,0:20:26.640
uh...
0:20:26.640,0:20:31.490
that that that one will get certain aka
competes endorsement of
0:20:31.490,0:20:33.610
for example all
0:20:33.610,0:20:36.050
uh... current administrations uh...
0:20:36.050,0:20:39.360
uh... moves in the middle east
0:20:39.360,0:20:43.190
even the most conservative in even the
most bell acres
0:20:43.190,0:20:47.630
uh... of people in britain look pretty
moderate if put up against of some of
0:20:47.630,0:20:50.779
the people around him
0:20:50.779,0:20:52.159
the labor party was for
0:20:52.159,0:20:55.279
unilateral decide yet nuclear weapons
0:20:55.279,0:20:58.130
nobody would have made britain nuclear
free enterprise
0:20:58.130,0:21:00.910
which would mean two things in our case
would mean
0:21:00.910,0:21:04.120
first removing your bases michael
0:21:04.120,0:21:07.230
right you didn't have a chance to vote
for them being there nor did we but
0:21:07.230,0:21:10.679
so let's say they'll u_s_a_ espace
0:21:10.679,0:21:11.440
uh...
0:21:11.440,0:21:14.910
from british so it would also involve
coming up the pretends to britain
0:21:14.910,0:21:18.010
but independently have a nuclear war the
so you know it's a which is a potential
0:21:18.010,0:21:18.950
economy
0:21:18.950,0:21:20.670
and great cost
0:21:20.670,0:21:23.770
maintained i thought that the connection
made by the question of the train them
0:21:23.770,0:21:25.670
to be a raid and the bases was
0:21:25.670,0:21:26.980
was the good one
0:21:26.980,0:21:29.860
um... and i just i'll just say this
about it
0:21:29.860,0:21:34.799
the reason why public opinion britain
was so strongly against
0:21:34.799,0:21:38.020
participation response fishman liberated
austria
0:21:38.020,0:21:42.660
uh... was this in a surprise many people
have how large the repudiation until
0:21:42.660,0:21:45.700
the raid took place not many british
people knew how many american bases that
0:21:45.700,0:21:46.870
were
0:21:46.870,0:21:49.680
snot usually discussed by the government
0:21:49.680,0:21:52.780
and weren't aware of the united states
could launch airstrike on other
0:21:52.780,0:21:55.170
countries and british
0:21:55.170,0:21:57.940
uh... with parliament in the press being
unaware of this
0:21:57.940,0:22:00.620
and since the that realization has
0:22:00.620,0:22:02.100
deepened if you will
0:22:02.100,0:22:03.710
extended
0:22:03.710,0:22:05.130
you have begun to law school
0:22:05.130,0:22:07.570
when did we sign this agreement when was
the treaty
0:22:07.570,0:22:13.330
when department but listen found of
course that was never any such
0:22:13.330,0:22:16.630
uh... democratically validated and
that's not going to go away
0:22:16.630,0:22:19.770
uh... mister booked them at this point
0:22:19.770,0:22:21.520
well as they say shared basis
0:22:21.520,0:22:23.590
do not know the u_s_a_
0:22:23.590,0:22:25.680
just just united states
0:22:25.680,0:22:29.590
let's go to burbank illinois you're on
0:22:29.590,0:22:35.090
burbank in there
0:22:35.090,0:22:39.580
labor said during the selection believe
that there was an ever-widening gap
0:22:39.580,0:22:42.560
between the haves and have-nots
0:22:42.560,0:22:45.570
expand on that will be
0:22:45.570,0:22:46.440
yet so i would
0:22:46.440,0:22:51.490
elicit sounds a little bit me
0:22:51.490,0:22:53.600
certainly
0:22:53.600,0:22:57.150
that's certainly been shipped in the
distribution of income in britain
0:22:57.150,0:22:58.040
uh...
0:22:58.040,0:23:02.180
quickbooks significance one st into them
unpacking isn't two p_m_
0:23:02.180,0:23:03.549
when i say that
0:23:03.549,0:23:08.240
will basically be strategy behind the
conservative government in britain
0:23:08.240,0:23:11.560
is to try to shift britain into
0:23:11.560,0:23:12.570
system
0:23:12.570,0:23:16.060
which will generate wealth better which
will give incentives almost certainly on
0:23:16.060,0:23:17.890
the part of the conservative
0:23:17.890,0:23:20.630
um... there's a strong belief that you
have to trickle-down effect
0:23:20.630,0:23:24.480
uh... fro uh... and
0:23:24.480,0:23:26.960
uh... chin
0:23:26.960,0:23:29.330
uh... in addition
0:23:29.330,0:23:31.539
the is the
0:23:31.539,0:23:33.620
but it means important to do something
0:23:33.620,0:23:34.900
pretty radical
0:23:34.900,0:23:36.500
to redress the
0:23:36.500,0:23:40.419
slu relative economic decline desperate
that britain has been suffering
0:23:40.419,0:23:43.429
over quite a long period of time
0:23:43.429,0:23:45.200
i think there was a great deal of
0:23:45.200,0:23:49.100
self conscious awareness about the fact
0:23:49.100,0:23:54.080
one was going to make a more
market-based society work effectively
0:23:54.080,0:23:54.909
this would
0:23:54.909,0:23:56.470
involved
0:23:56.470,0:23:59.890
greater dignity of economic inequality
0:23:59.890,0:24:01.130
bombs
0:24:01.130,0:24:03.280
and here is the big buck
0:24:03.280,0:24:06.350
the argument was but once the syndrome
for a bit
0:24:06.350,0:24:08.179
uh... one would get benefits
0:24:08.179,0:24:10.520
which would could be spread
0:24:10.520,0:24:14.210
more widely through the community no one
would then actually have a wealth to
0:24:14.210,0:24:18.050
help those people who couldn't help
themselves so what i would want to do
0:24:18.050,0:24:22.539
very much on this is on the one side to
bite the bullet and say yes
0:24:22.539,0:24:23.990
in certain respects
0:24:23.990,0:24:25.460
liberal position
0:24:25.460,0:24:26.380
to go for
0:24:26.380,0:24:28.340
a form of social organization
0:24:28.340,0:24:31.220
which has a greater degree of inequality
in it
0:24:31.220,0:24:32.930
but with the sistine as being a new
0:24:32.930,0:24:35.760
engine for the production of a lot of
things that the worthwhile
0:24:35.760,0:24:37.839
i want to relate these two things
together
0:24:37.839,0:24:41.610
such that if chris possibly says that
the inequality
0:24:41.610,0:24:44.720
that's involved in making such a move is
unacceptable
0:24:44.720,0:24:48.019
i'd be interested to see whether there
is some other in june
0:24:48.019,0:24:52.480
be uh... which could be have to generate
the the more positive concert
0:24:52.480,0:24:55.340
well from our baxter's draws attention
0:24:55.340,0:25:00.950
the audiences this that uh... and
hegemony deserves grateful
0:25:00.950,0:25:02.320
frank about it and so does
0:25:02.320,0:25:04.360
mrs thatcher um...
0:25:04.360,0:25:07.250
what makes that show uh... factura
0:25:07.250,0:25:12.650
is not that she accepts the fact of
britain's ruthlessly about it because
0:25:12.650,0:25:14.519
income and also it will finish
0:25:14.519,0:25:17.420
very hottest hospital in wisconsin
0:25:17.420,0:25:21.670
uh... but that xin self-consciously
praises god
0:25:21.670,0:25:23.510
um... back his knee
0:25:23.510,0:25:27.060
that is also why she's so wanted his
life but it's also why she deserves
0:25:27.060,0:25:28.290
credit
0:25:28.290,0:25:29.350
but she doesn't
0:25:29.350,0:25:31.340
pretend that it can or should
0:25:31.340,0:25:34.970
in view be outlawed
0:25:34.970,0:25:40.049
that swatch that's what we talk about
0:25:40.049,0:25:44.620
that's a baseline which to stop tool
0:25:44.620,0:25:45.719
come back on this
0:25:45.719,0:25:48.940
because i think that on the topic of
inequality one's got to distinguish
0:25:48.940,0:25:51.149
between inequality pretend sake
0:25:51.149,0:25:52.490
an inequality
0:25:52.490,0:25:56.809
uh... all the salt which it's argued
will emerge in and well working
0:25:56.809,0:25:58.340
market-based economy
0:25:58.340,0:26:02.340
not uncertainty that all kinds of forms
of inequality the the the one they did
0:26:02.340,0:26:06.679
in many many places which mrs thatcher
and i would guess most of the
0:26:06.679,0:26:09.399
but even the conservative party who
favor the views
0:26:09.399,0:26:13.340
redeem old very cute little i mean says
some of the people all home walking or
0:26:13.340,0:26:13.960
on that
0:26:13.960,0:26:16.720
on the paternalistic interpretation of
conservativism would
0:26:16.720,0:26:19.659
would like certain other kinds of
inequality but but where possibly
0:26:19.659,0:26:22.590
traditional landlords would have a
double booking off to that that they
0:26:22.590,0:26:23.729
retain us too
0:26:23.729,0:26:27.209
in return for talking with a lot to do
with the women within the locked after a
0:26:27.209,0:26:30.260
bit intended liberal new
0:26:30.260,0:26:32.120
uh... grows
0:26:32.120,0:26:35.560
eight at an attempted solution to
britain's problems i think that he
0:26:35.560,0:26:37.460
doesn't need to think that the enough
0:26:37.460,0:26:41.110
just to stop by saying all be these
things have undesirable features to them
0:26:41.110,0:26:41.889
shoul
0:26:41.889,0:26:44.649
but the situation that britain has
undesirable features
0:26:44.649,0:26:48.539
consider i mean if you if you went from
at both of us uh... a relatively young
0:26:48.539,0:26:51.990
but i think that within the lifetime of
both of us if one went
0:26:51.990,0:26:55.310
uh... countries on the continent of
europe and when we break when we were
0:26:55.310,0:26:55.980
young
0:26:55.980,0:26:58.870
uh... what would be struck by the
meeting in various ways kind of quite
0:26:58.870,0:27:00.539
charming but a bit to correct it
0:27:00.539,0:27:04.309
if undefined goes but brought into
europe not including the north of big
0:27:04.309,0:27:05.120
city
0:27:05.120,0:27:08.110
uh... was struck by the fact that here
when it got its older
0:27:08.110,0:27:11.570
affluence of a country which really only
has to be found in the context of
0:27:11.570,0:27:12.720
britain midland
0:27:12.720,0:27:16.690
thumbs-down with certainty that the
whole gamut supposes it's been tried
0:27:16.690,0:27:17.460
before
0:27:17.460,0:27:20.880
bike the conservative neighbor body how
can go anywhere
0:27:20.880,0:27:23.810
touch at least was has been trying
0:27:23.810,0:27:26.570
eight solution to these things and it
was rejected
0:27:26.570,0:27:28.089
i think what one needs to hear is
0:27:28.089,0:27:29.399
what's really is
0:27:29.399,0:27:32.450
the workable alternative
0:27:32.450,0:27:38.560
echols from san diego you're on
0:27:38.560,0:27:45.560
and
0:27:46.980,0:27:53.980
but
0:29:07.860,0:29:10.250
until i agree with him too
0:29:10.250,0:29:13.549
citizens under a fourteen thirty now
0:29:13.549,0:29:15.149
uh...
0:29:15.149,0:29:18.340
are behind were happy to say there's a
common but there's a vase is a question
0:29:18.340,0:29:20.210
it was to meet and
0:29:20.210,0:29:23.430
i'd say this about it
0:29:23.430,0:29:27.760
since i'm forty five pm very very
heavily state run economy
0:29:27.760,0:29:30.230
but also very very capitalist one
0:29:30.230,0:29:34.040
and the another point of interest
thatcher's interests
0:29:34.040,0:29:38.080
that she uh... believes
0:29:38.080,0:29:40.460
britain has been in a sense of socialist
electives
0:29:40.460,0:29:42.690
society
0:29:42.690,0:29:46.520
recent structural seized the prime
minister
0:29:46.520,0:29:48.650
of uh... that's nonsensical opinion
0:29:48.650,0:29:51.340
doesn't fit with any known factoring in
theory
0:29:51.340,0:29:54.820
doesn't quite wrote of its power because
it's certainly true
0:29:54.820,0:29:58.340
that that was about inefficient public
ownership
0:29:58.340,0:30:01.230
a great deal what i would call craft
unions
0:30:01.230,0:30:02.279
trade unions
0:30:02.279,0:30:05.049
simply acting syndicates for the
protection of members what you might
0:30:05.049,0:30:08.980
call on the waterfront ratings
0:30:08.980,0:30:10.580
and and a great presumption
0:30:10.580,0:30:14.000
of subsidy in the case of any business
that several go into trouble
0:30:14.000,0:30:16.860
and most of them to conservative
governments conservatives
0:30:16.860,0:30:18.460
uh... nationalized
0:30:18.460,0:30:20.080
rolls-royce which is very simple
0:30:20.080,0:30:22.180
right
0:30:22.180,0:30:25.980
thus one has to say that at least in
theory thatcher
0:30:25.980,0:30:28.169
uh... does believe that everybody
0:30:28.169,0:30:29.559
to it
0:30:29.559,0:30:33.220
and believes in that top-grossing rather
than piracy
0:30:33.220,0:30:39.100
uh... and so forth but i would go about
us basically of stuff fine
0:30:39.100,0:30:42.510
in fact that the tax breaks that she's
given to this it would be a little
0:30:42.510,0:30:45.870
businesses
0:30:45.870,0:30:46.630
happened b
0:30:46.630,0:30:50.159
awarded but this
0:30:50.159,0:30:52.730
like michael for
0:30:52.730,0:30:55.429
what to make two comments first of all
0:30:55.429,0:30:57.930
one thing which is i think extremely
0:30:57.930,0:31:00.420
too many people in britain
0:31:00.420,0:31:03.390
the way in which
0:31:03.390,0:31:05.370
many people apostle
0:31:05.370,0:31:07.070
from the opportunity
0:31:07.070,0:31:08.149
using them
0:31:08.149,0:31:09.560
ammunition
0:31:09.560,0:31:11.450
uh... its
0:31:11.450,0:31:13.750
really pretty grim the way in which
0:31:13.750,0:31:17.220
innocence the people haven't been at the
right
0:31:17.220,0:31:20.580
place but the right point of time right
qualifications don't really have a
0:31:20.580,0:31:23.090
second charles u_n_ which within
0:31:23.090,0:31:25.639
uh... many different places especially
0:31:25.639,0:31:29.559
uh... large state-owned enterprises but
this kind of e forces has carried over
0:31:29.559,0:31:34.010
to a considerable extent into into
private business
0:31:34.010,0:31:35.610
if someone shows
0:31:35.610,0:31:36.529
initiative
0:31:36.529,0:31:39.039
uh... if that were to be told
0:31:39.039,0:31:42.230
if they uh... haven't come into the
rightful qualifications than the feeling
0:31:42.230,0:31:43.510
of hope
0:31:43.510,0:31:46.499
and certainly one thing which i think
he's been extremely
0:31:46.499,0:31:48.530
striking
0:31:48.530,0:31:50.330
the activities all
0:31:50.330,0:31:52.330
the conservative under thatch
0:31:52.330,0:31:54.920
has been a week to try to break
0:31:54.920,0:31:58.090
these very deep seated institutions and
0:31:58.090,0:32:01.920
yes i did something which it seems
extremely difficult to do
0:32:01.920,0:32:05.090
went with certainly they have grossed
this particular metal in the way in
0:32:05.090,0:32:05.979
which no one else
0:32:05.979,0:32:08.590
dawn regiment and for the maturity of
uh...
0:32:08.590,0:32:09.450
there's
0:32:09.450,0:32:13.960
we are just a few minutes but um... let
me just say nama might be the times that
0:32:13.960,0:32:15.340
it's very striking
0:32:15.340,0:32:16.940
you can have made a video
0:32:16.940,0:32:18.599
uh... they would never try it
0:32:18.599,0:32:21.800
escalate really yeah your picnic
0:32:21.800,0:32:25.070
made a video of the country would never
tried before and this for some reason
0:32:25.070,0:32:28.320
have tremendous effect moved in fourteen
points out
0:32:28.320,0:32:31.210
in the opinion polls than the morning
off russia and
0:32:31.210,0:32:33.080
highpoint ten
0:32:33.080,0:32:34.740
giving a speech in wales
0:32:34.740,0:32:37.980
working possible sent
0:32:37.980,0:32:41.200
why am i request number
0:32:41.200,0:32:46.000
wise my life
0:32:46.000,0:32:50.009
we come from a thousand generations
workers soldiers
0:32:50.009,0:32:52.160
and games plans
0:32:52.160,0:32:54.340
uh... artisans craftsman
0:32:54.340,0:32:57.470
was it because with the net worth
0:32:57.470,0:32:59.710
was it because we were lazy
0:32:59.710,0:33:02.049
was it was in a week no it wasn't
0:33:02.049,0:33:04.080
and it was because we never had a
thoughtful
0:33:04.080,0:33:08.349
you know how to party whenever money we
never had any of the boxes says it's a
0:33:08.349,0:33:10.000
simple thing with higher education
0:33:10.000,0:33:12.310
now the fact that in britain
0:33:12.310,0:33:18.430
in nineteen eighty seven and if you like
that and have such a tremendous
0:33:18.430,0:33:21.100
so many people recognize themselves
0:33:21.100,0:33:22.140
inception
0:33:22.140,0:33:25.019
is a tremendous condemnation of the west
side
0:33:25.019,0:33:26.950
people know they've been with
0:33:26.950,0:33:28.610
they saw their parents
0:33:28.610,0:33:30.170
knives squandered
0:33:30.170,0:33:33.110
with no opportunity method for cost
reasons
0:33:33.110,0:33:35.360
and that still remains the most salient
fact about
0:33:35.360,0:33:36.789
about our country and ivp
0:33:36.789,0:33:38.980
therefore fit
0:33:38.980,0:33:43.279
dealing and illusion
0:33:43.279,0:33:47.880
but the something is that it's very kind
of institutions which the labor party
0:33:47.880,0:33:48.800
then
0:33:48.800,0:33:50.779
uh... towards historically and which
0:33:50.779,0:33:54.179
his father can see that would be another
indication that the that if they don't
0:33:54.179,0:33:56.169
mean that they'd be willing to move away
from
0:33:56.169,0:33:57.880
which which is just so
0:33:57.880,0:34:00.380
to cement people into the the
0:34:00.380,0:34:02.809
uh... kind of traps that they had been
an
0:34:02.809,0:34:07.600
granted everyone units everyone and it's
it's really rob nice labor parties at
0:34:07.600,0:34:09.610
least cum laude reagan probably
0:34:09.610,0:34:13.769
well what they don't seem to understand
it is that own
0:34:13.769,0:34:16.990
way in which they'd been conducting a
fence and uh...
0:34:16.990,0:34:20.229
riddhi in many ways constituted problem
0:34:20.229,0:34:24.519
and certainly mania of features all
0:34:24.519,0:34:27.960
police's at the present conservative
government which op talk reducing pretty
0:34:27.960,0:34:28.860
ruthless
0:34:28.860,0:34:33.450
but it is a radical attempt to get to
grips with the tech to be problems
0:34:33.450,0:34:34.459
when it did
0:34:34.459,0:34:37.679
the problem on the other side in in
terms of all of the labor party
0:34:37.679,0:34:38.620
projecting
0:34:38.620,0:34:39.559
and what was it
0:34:39.559,0:34:43.499
it's as if yes that big problems and
uh... we care about them and we will do
0:34:43.499,0:34:45.429
something
0:34:45.429,0:34:49.529
what was actually government done was
only the not too terribly specified or
0:34:49.529,0:34:50.669
where it was
0:34:50.669,0:34:52.480
it looks as if it was going to and not
0:34:52.480,0:34:54.469
begin call back
0:34:54.469,0:34:57.899
behind the exactly the same kind of
traditional institute
0:34:57.899,0:35:01.210
uh... particularly in terms of the trade
union movement in britain
0:35:01.210,0:35:04.529
which in many ways and i i think from
some of the rocks you've been making
0:35:04.529,0:35:05.329
uh... uh...
0:35:05.329,0:35:07.769
but pretty much everyone accepted
0:35:07.769,0:35:09.789
being the major coolsat
0:35:09.789,0:35:13.529
let's go up again to knowingly newton
massachusetts you're on
0:35:13.529,0:35:19.769
harry uh... thank you very much
0:35:19.769,0:35:22.999
right
0:35:22.999,0:35:29.999
there
0:35:33.279,0:35:36.479
irreparable
0:35:36.479,0:35:38.639
perry
0:35:38.639,0:35:41.849
act
0:35:41.849,0:35:48.140
sorry poorer
0:35:48.140,0:35:50.719
allied party or
0:35:50.719,0:35:52.349
electoral
0:35:52.349,0:35:54.519
for
0:35:54.519,0:36:00.289
uh...
0:36:00.289,0:36:02.829
mostar provides certainly become
0:36:02.829,0:36:07.389
the great emerging female british
demography obviously a gossip matt
0:36:07.389,0:36:09.419
makes it very dramatic uh...
0:36:09.419,0:36:12.749
an old friend of mine won a seat last
night for the first time in tennessee
0:36:12.749,0:36:16.829
summed declining shipbuilding nominal
fees
0:36:16.829,0:36:21.159
consider the contents on some didn't
hold his deposit which mexico but based
0:36:21.159,0:36:23.509
house votes
0:36:23.509,0:36:25.539
and my friend chris mullin
0:36:25.539,0:36:29.539
full-version tribune amount watch by the
way uh... increase their majority in
0:36:29.539,0:36:32.429
some of them by something i ate teen
sent
0:36:32.429,0:36:34.969
now those bits muslim molding cost
0:36:34.969,0:36:37.779
this is just a working-class town
0:36:37.779,0:36:40.839
wooden vitoria to save his life um...
0:36:40.839,0:36:42.499
but with those birds
0:36:42.499,0:36:46.049
simply go to elect one more in pain
0:36:46.049,0:36:48.720
if weather was proportional
representation you get a quite different
0:36:48.720,0:36:50.979
spread
0:36:50.979,0:36:55.069
obits and seats across the country and i
do think that given out of scotland and
0:36:55.069,0:36:57.159
wales
0:36:57.159,0:37:00.680
hardly a lecture anyone for the
governing party which has
0:37:00.680,0:37:03.459
morrissey clean power and
0:37:03.459,0:37:05.329
and at the third party has
0:37:05.329,0:37:06.559
not got seats in
0:37:06.559,0:37:11.729
washington's school
0:37:11.729,0:37:14.909
unfortunately the something in the
british temper
0:37:14.909,0:37:16.699
totally disagree with
0:37:16.699,0:37:21.649
that's against united fudging the choice
quite wants to have a clear winner
0:37:21.649,0:37:25.159
throughout common appear decisionmaking
choice in that
0:37:25.159,0:37:27.639
will never take it out in option
0:37:27.639,0:37:31.159
of a bunch of small parties who often
erection then get together and fix it in
0:37:31.159,0:37:34.149
smoke-filled rooms memo democratic
0:37:34.149,0:37:37.769
so that it's fair to say that on extreme
left office ka gold miners union is the
0:37:37.769,0:37:39.849
proportion
0:37:39.849,0:37:42.889
and on the center right people at work
and
0:37:42.889,0:37:49.889
that it's still just doesn't convo hot
0:37:50.199,0:37:53.149
if i can come in on this post a little
some
0:37:53.149,0:37:56.259
it is there and it is real it is there a
little bit patchy
0:37:56.259,0:38:00.479
uh... certainly a friend of mine
microphones terms
0:38:00.479,0:38:02.000
the dislike to diminish but
0:38:02.000,0:38:05.859
uh... majority but a very small majority
uh... in
0:38:05.859,0:38:09.389
what went on the top ten and that the
other other such cases
0:38:09.389,0:38:11.620
what is i think noticeable and
0:38:11.620,0:38:14.809
when talking to follow my iphone this
all the pups
0:38:14.809,0:38:17.059
spins counting on the maltese
0:38:17.059,0:38:18.849
is the extent to which
0:38:18.849,0:38:20.459
uh... people that
0:38:20.459,0:38:22.020
indeed in people who
0:38:22.020,0:38:24.849
and preserve in their jobs
0:38:24.849,0:38:30.770
in typically i the government sector or
in heavy manufacturing industry
0:38:30.770,0:38:32.759
which has been helped out by government
0:38:32.759,0:38:39.319
a bond consequences the that even in
areas of extremely high unemployment
0:38:39.319,0:38:42.899
uh... they've been opportunity for
various government schemes to encourage
0:38:42.899,0:38:43.990
people to start up
0:38:43.990,0:38:45.130
that this is an
0:38:45.130,0:38:48.049
in a small way
0:38:48.049,0:38:50.259
comparatively negligible take a
0:38:50.259,0:38:52.869
has to say it seems to me that
0:38:52.869,0:38:57.609
uh... is been pumping effectively
north-south divide isn't it time culture
0:38:57.609,0:39:00.529
which has been created in some areas
involving quit
0:39:00.529,0:39:01.679
such that
0:39:01.679,0:39:03.390
outside of certain traditional
0:39:03.390,0:39:06.720
but if i i think you never to be
declining forms a of industry
0:39:06.720,0:39:09.710
and had to be declining because these
uh... problems within the industrialized
0:39:09.710,0:39:11.619
countries
0:39:11.619,0:39:13.989
into competition with
0:39:13.989,0:39:16.679
people's initiative it has in this
instance at
0:39:16.679,0:39:20.409
unquote certainly it's a big job to
consider and and and it's difficult even
0:39:20.409,0:39:22.269
to consider
0:39:22.269,0:39:26.539
what government policies computers is
are not pool show but uh... a policy
0:39:26.539,0:39:29.319
said responding to this person involving
0:39:29.319,0:39:32.720
but essentially more saying what was
recreated the problem
0:39:32.720,0:39:35.279
it is going to help
0:39:35.279,0:39:38.700
as to proportional representation and i
i think that that person's right on this
0:39:38.700,0:39:42.829
with one possible exception which is the
proportional representation is typically
0:39:42.829,0:39:44.370
something that they need food
0:39:44.370,0:39:49.650
party in britain will say israeli
mother's idea but uh... it works to the
0:39:49.650,0:39:53.099
advantage altered to large but if the
possibilities to britain
0:39:53.099,0:39:57.239
what's the advantage all of the two
large boxes britain so so that they
0:39:57.239,0:40:01.160
would be highly unlikely to agree to to
make any move
0:40:01.160,0:40:02.660
even if you're on the losing side
0:40:02.660,0:40:04.670
because the they'd they do pretty badly
0:40:04.670,0:40:05.859
uh... out of it
0:40:05.859,0:40:07.380
another element to it is
0:40:07.380,0:40:11.160
that insofar as both within the
conservative party and than the labor
0:40:11.160,0:40:11.839
party
0:40:11.839,0:40:15.689
you have people who take the view that
some quite radical action is needed to
0:40:15.689,0:40:19.390
desperate problems than they were also
going to show either way
0:40:19.390,0:40:22.099
from a a system
0:40:22.099,0:40:26.279
uh... likely to insure but no action
0:40:26.279,0:40:27.440
to pop in and he
0:40:27.440,0:40:31.079
enemy dramatically what's written down
0:40:31.079,0:40:34.589
at a clip from the labor party one of
the labor party leaders excuse me last
0:40:34.589,0:40:38.819
night like to see that now
0:40:38.819,0:40:40.220
muna scanner uh...
0:40:40.220,0:40:43.790
uh... dubbed the dream ticket that
there's nothing in the pacific stands
0:40:43.790,0:40:44.449
firm
0:40:44.449,0:40:49.999
and what about the losing control they
would not have a great deal you from for
0:40:49.999,0:40:52.029
it if it will result
0:40:52.029,0:40:53.180
mccarthy
0:40:53.180,0:40:55.889
definitively principal mexican
0:40:55.889,0:40:57.849
when i first last campaign
0:40:57.849,0:41:01.079
we've reestablish labor party whatever
happened tonight
0:41:01.079,0:41:02.889
as a great national party
0:41:02.889,0:41:05.959
people who were talking or sickness
0:41:05.959,0:41:09.099
but the death of the love part
industrial andres
0:41:09.099,0:41:13.180
on talking about it anymore the airlines
have packed into political oblivion
0:41:13.180,0:41:17.729
whatever happens in line for the party
of their and is the alternative gotten
0:41:17.729,0:41:20.689
to respond
0:41:20.689,0:41:25.809
your that resented under jim site space
0:41:25.809,0:41:28.979
remarkable reasons i wanted to be
removed
0:41:28.979,0:41:33.309
it is a good he's um... you have to say
that of course
0:41:33.309,0:41:34.859
uh... the fact is no
0:41:34.859,0:41:37.019
they were party has lost
0:41:37.019,0:41:40.359
three successive elections
0:41:40.359,0:41:41.999
without a shadow
0:41:41.999,0:41:45.949
of toughest resolving free crushing
defeat
0:41:45.949,0:41:50.099
from a woman who was derided when she
first degree party has a right wing
0:41:50.099,0:41:52.199
extremist for that
0:41:52.199,0:41:53.380
what she herself since
0:41:53.380,0:41:56.579
who'll torrent
0:41:56.579,0:41:58.209
rightly as she said to run
0:41:58.209,0:42:00.809
uh... but she has found something
0:42:00.809,0:42:03.279
uh... in the british lectures
0:42:03.279,0:42:08.589
try has demanded wait for disney risen
near to a non political campaigns
0:42:08.589,0:42:09.769
con replica
0:42:09.769,0:42:14.419
now that's a serious defeated perhaps we
pretend otherwise
0:42:14.419,0:42:15.769
part of what dimensionality
0:42:15.769,0:42:20.010
reestablish the labor party expense of
the alliance well-read party however
0:42:20.010,0:42:23.660
people ought to be but he listens gives
himself alive are talking about three
0:42:23.660,0:42:24.849
parties
0:42:24.849,0:42:28.759
uh... the fact is the by conceding that
there is now three party system
0:42:28.759,0:42:33.460
he's amazing that uh... labor card even
mobilize all the anti tory burch which
0:42:33.460,0:42:36.219
it used to be able to do effortless
0:42:36.219,0:42:38.809
and if you're free partisan britain
labor committee will be a majority
0:42:38.809,0:42:39.999
government
0:42:39.999,0:42:42.239
and so i think mister has the is
whistling
0:42:42.239,0:42:44.999
current like anything yes if i could
0:42:44.999,0:42:49.390
i think that one feature of the labor
party company picked up
0:42:49.390,0:42:53.589
uh... quite a lot of the listed
expecting line
0:42:53.589,0:42:55.309
it was the specialty in
0:42:55.309,0:42:58.829
for example these commercials a
0:42:58.829,0:43:01.549
uh... cannot and his wife
0:43:01.549,0:43:04.960
bouncing of kept plots and then in a way
not unlike uh...
0:43:04.960,0:43:05.760
uh... will
0:43:05.760,0:43:09.349
president and his wife in in in in
previous such films that that that that
0:43:09.349,0:43:11.039
attracted the attention
0:43:11.039,0:43:13.030
of and interest all these people
0:43:13.030,0:43:16.349
on the way that's quite symptomatic and
relates to
0:43:16.349,0:43:18.469
appointed making
0:43:18.469,0:43:20.899
to save the labor party
0:43:20.899,0:43:24.539
based aidid
0:43:24.539,0:43:27.229
of uh... the periods
0:43:27.229,0:43:30.799
arguing on since nineteen
0:43:30.799,0:43:32.280
which is really the in britain
0:43:32.280,0:43:34.599
uh... political attitudes voting day
0:43:34.599,0:43:36.659
dictated in many ways
0:43:36.659,0:43:38.889
people such economic status
0:43:38.889,0:43:41.709
kind of job which they're important so
on
0:43:41.709,0:43:46.500
the labor party is in this respect
unlucky the has been uh... undermining
0:43:46.500,0:43:49.020
of it's unnatural base of those people
who
0:43:49.020,0:43:53.019
uh... really develop full would vote for
the labor party as they did
0:43:53.019,0:43:56.059
equip themselves now since nineteen
forty five
0:43:56.059,0:43:59.460
has been a gradual process of
destabilization all such
0:43:59.460,0:44:03.500
knee-jerk support understanding
something which gradually the liberal
0:44:03.500,0:44:04.740
party has picked up
0:44:04.740,0:44:08.310
uh... which when the social democrats
joined them they just simply continued i
0:44:08.310,0:44:10.729
mean that there there was no there was
no
0:44:10.729,0:44:14.579
for big restricted to simpy continuation
of a trend that was that
0:44:14.579,0:44:19.259
but these people controllable typically
from mike across the city spectrum
0:44:19.259,0:44:23.650
and they fight against also will be
people who might be a probable responses
0:44:23.650,0:44:28.099
to declined bitch labor party made
0:44:28.099,0:44:32.089
certainly the labor party didn't do
because well did rather better than one
0:44:32.089,0:44:33.349
might have expected
0:44:33.349,0:44:38.099
unwitting the evening being to take the
stand about getting
0:44:38.099,0:44:43.059
those birds and that sort of support if
i remember the labor party
0:44:43.059,0:44:45.390
it was supportable role the different
kind
0:44:45.390,0:44:47.589
from that which i depend on previously
0:44:47.589,0:44:49.579
the less the by the party itself
0:44:49.579,0:44:53.969
uh... blooper willing ready to turn its
back on its roots along
0:44:53.969,0:44:58.599
let me tell nigel companies and make a
pitch for the kind of territory but
0:44:58.599,0:45:00.890
levels in the senate democrats about
britain
0:45:00.890,0:45:04.479
i need to be very difficult for them to
retains
0:45:04.479,0:45:07.829
let's go to portland oregon
0:45:07.829,0:45:14.829
old opera
0:45:33.139,0:45:40.139
now
0:46:03.979,0:46:10.979
okay
0:46:12.650,0:46:19.650
the
0:46:54.410,0:46:58.479
very
0:46:58.479,0:47:01.859
to tool for us but i didn't mean to
imply that the american base in britain
0:47:01.859,0:47:03.279
are like say the american
0:47:03.279,0:47:04.819
basic here but
0:47:04.819,0:47:05.620
uh... that that
0:47:05.620,0:47:07.239
that they're part of
0:47:07.239,0:47:10.839
united states to attend
0:47:10.839,0:47:12.219
uh...
0:47:12.219,0:47:16.569
spas and of the quintana basic interest
an example of that
0:47:16.569,0:47:19.999
uh... aren't clearly their main british
soil but they do they are not on the
0:47:19.999,0:47:23.289
bridge control anymore on the cruise
inflation missiles
0:47:23.289,0:47:25.949
uh... and it was never a treaty
0:47:25.949,0:47:26.809
uh... as there is
0:47:26.809,0:47:29.829
with other countries in which braces
aside
0:47:29.829,0:47:33.880
nor was there ever debate in parliament
than it is this that fuels
0:47:33.880,0:47:36.969
must purchase so
0:47:36.969,0:47:40.189
if i was in such a thing about that
before that time now
0:47:40.189,0:47:42.509
estimate so i think you you'll
0:47:42.509,0:47:45.839
you're not quite so is it in contrast to
the c
0:47:45.839,0:47:47.009
isn't that too
0:47:47.009,0:47:48.249
a two-tier
0:47:48.249,0:47:55.249
no
0:47:57.289,0:48:04.289
earn
0:48:26.420,0:48:30.489
v
0:48:30.489,0:48:33.869
to tool for us but i didn't mean to
imply that the american base in britain
0:48:33.869,0:48:35.280
are like say the american
0:48:35.280,0:48:36.829
basic here but
0:48:36.829,0:48:37.630
uh... that that
0:48:37.630,0:48:39.249
that they're part of
0:48:39.249,0:48:42.829
united states to attend
0:48:42.829,0:48:44.219
uh...
0:48:44.219,0:48:48.579
spas and of the quintana basically
within itself
0:48:48.579,0:48:51.909
uh... aren't clearly they remain british
soil but they do they are not under
0:48:51.909,0:48:55.299
british control anymore cruise version
missiles
0:48:55.299,0:48:57.979
uh... and it was never a treaty
0:48:57.979,0:48:58.819
uh... as there is
0:48:58.819,0:49:01.829
with other countries braces aside
0:49:01.829,0:49:05.889
nor was there ever debate in parliament
obstinate is this that fuels
0:49:05.889,0:49:08.979
must present so
0:49:08.979,0:49:12.199
if i wasn't specifically about that
before the time now
0:49:12.199,0:49:14.519
as for may so i think you you'll
0:49:14.519,0:49:17.839
you're not quite so is it in contrast
the c
0:49:17.839,0:49:19.009
isn't bad
0:49:19.009,0:49:20.160
a two-tier
0:49:20.160,0:49:23.059
european economic community
0:49:23.059,0:49:25.709
hotly symmetrical with the two tenacious
0:49:25.709,0:49:28.939
southern european countries such as
greece
0:49:28.939,0:49:32.889
tokyo doesn't get quite in the e_c_ and
and icily
0:49:32.889,0:49:35.869
have always had a lot more fractious
relationship with the nato
0:49:35.869,0:49:39.289
like because they really aren't
0:49:39.289,0:49:43.109
and the uh... them an orthodontic house
have
0:49:43.109,0:49:47.079
uh... i think you're right though that
there is a
0:49:47.079,0:49:51.079
fissile tendency that that's what i
think it is is one that uh... has a more
0:49:51.079,0:49:54.049
western european
0:49:54.049,0:49:58.459
and that groups to create in the end
uh... europe the cam
0:49:58.459,0:50:01.779
defend itself doesn't need to be at the
mercy
0:50:01.779,0:50:03.459
or by the city
0:50:03.459,0:50:04.949
now in his
0:50:04.949,0:50:07.599
admittedly bacon sometimes nancy
0:50:07.599,0:50:09.519
absolutely yet
0:50:09.519,0:50:12.419
expressive mrs thatcher is cool peeps
from schools
0:50:12.419,0:50:15.439
she's not much of a european and never
has been
0:50:15.439,0:50:17.119
particularly
0:50:17.119,0:50:19.979
mailto good
0:50:19.979,0:50:22.069
but uh...
0:50:22.069,0:50:24.409
none of that happy
0:50:24.409,0:50:28.150
about the apparently automatic
subordination
0:50:28.150,0:50:30.399
making united states
0:50:30.399,0:50:34.319
in foreign and defense policy into
revert to the question you asked earlier
0:50:34.319,0:50:36.400
i think that
0:50:36.400,0:50:39.160
nero set when she becomes when your
president
0:50:39.160,0:50:40.699
itself
0:50:40.699,0:50:44.689
the senior european statesman one might
find paradoxically that it would be the
0:50:44.689,0:50:47.029
tourism which are team more
0:50:47.029,0:50:48.009
independent
0:50:48.009,0:50:52.400
and european coursework that'll be very
interesting
0:50:52.400,0:50:54.909
since need to be
0:50:54.909,0:50:55.599
leslie
0:50:55.599,0:50:56.669
on this
0:50:56.669,0:51:00.339
to be something extremely attractive
about the idea
0:51:00.339,0:51:04.289
uh... western europe the coming going to
be responsible for its and parents
0:51:04.289,0:51:05.109
um...
0:51:05.109,0:51:08.819
this i think it would have in the longer
term
0:51:08.819,0:51:12.419
defusing consequences on on the
international scene because
0:51:12.419,0:51:14.549
uh... measures which
0:51:14.549,0:51:15.730
the united states
0:51:15.730,0:51:18.249
uh... maybe taking
0:51:18.249,0:51:19.079
in the
0:51:19.079,0:51:21.209
defense of the west is a whole
0:51:21.209,0:51:24.079
uh... kind i think the burial will crawl
threatening
0:51:24.079,0:51:25.430
uh... whereas if
0:51:25.430,0:51:27.749
or western europe will involved
0:51:27.749,0:51:31.079
essentially with it with defensiveness
and measures just for itself
0:51:31.079,0:51:34.579
uh... then it will be rubble difficult
for anyone else to uh...
0:51:34.579,0:51:36.979
picture these things and being
aggressive
0:51:36.979,0:51:38.910
the difficulty about that
0:51:38.910,0:51:40.799
uh... is the cost of it
0:51:40.799,0:51:44.479
uh... i mean that's to say that beat the
problems facing
0:51:44.479,0:51:45.559
uh... europe
0:51:45.559,0:51:48.679
uh... outside of them
0:51:48.679,0:51:51.029
who is going to pay for a look at this
time
0:51:51.029,0:51:55.089
uh... one of the problem i think facing
unit in is the following
0:51:55.089,0:51:57.369
uh... suppose that he had been returned
0:51:57.369,0:51:59.909
on the pop on the declared policy
0:51:59.909,0:52:01.960
the first thing mama's oscars uh...
0:52:01.960,0:52:03.799
what would actually have happened
0:52:03.799,0:52:07.749
uh... we didn't really have been the
case that uh...
0:52:07.749,0:52:11.299
uh... america would be most of the
current spaces would would would this
0:52:11.299,0:52:14.199
with the direction taken with a little
bit skeptical about that
0:52:14.199,0:52:17.859
but they supposedly world
0:52:17.859,0:52:19.030
and any other
0:52:19.030,0:52:22.609
western european government involved in
the situation of of really having to
0:52:22.609,0:52:24.259
spend it and feet
0:52:24.259,0:52:26.520
would be faced with doing what will
0:52:26.520,0:52:28.069
either
0:52:28.069,0:52:32.119
keeping its own nuclear forces is a
going concern and this is something that
0:52:32.119,0:52:36.069
but that britain has as down there that
towers are identified with it but it's
0:52:36.069,0:52:37.939
frightening expensive
0:52:37.939,0:52:39.819
or what
0:52:39.819,0:52:41.230
conventional forces
0:52:41.230,0:52:42.589
uh... if one looks at that
0:52:42.589,0:52:44.519
conventional forces in britain
0:52:44.519,0:52:48.909
the the cost of getting these up to
relisted level as compared to the to the
0:52:48.909,0:52:53.559
u_s_s_r_ is quite phenomenal also would
lead to enormous difficult as white
0:52:53.559,0:52:55.969
because britain doesn't have any form of
conscription
0:52:55.969,0:52:58.140
what is going to campaign for mfa
0:52:58.140,0:53:00.790
but the comparable numbers of people who
alone
0:53:00.790,0:53:03.890
uh... again to be sitting in trenches
watching what what you know
0:53:03.890,0:53:07.740
russian counterparts they'd be the
realities of this i think so it's not a
0:53:07.740,0:53:10.710
stop to get um... revere that
problematic so
0:53:10.710,0:53:14.130
well it seems to me that there's only
more was among the three unlawfully
0:53:14.130,0:53:15.039
about the
0:53:15.039,0:53:16.969
current situation
0:53:16.969,0:53:20.319
uh... if as by the western europeans are
concerned they get quite a mystery right
0:53:20.319,0:53:22.030
at the expense of the united states
0:53:22.030,0:53:25.570
uh... ans pride in a way that the u_s_
is actually willing to pick up the tab
0:53:25.570,0:53:26.470
for this one
0:53:26.470,0:53:28.679
and i would expect uh...
0:53:28.679,0:53:31.200
with the passing of time uh... four
0:53:31.200,0:53:35.770
uh... u_s_ to itself take more of an
isolationist move uh... and for the
0:53:35.770,0:53:40.279
responsibility of knocking off itself to
be to be placed a bit more firmly
0:53:40.279,0:53:42.329
on western europe
0:53:42.329,0:53:46.480
then would require the western european
governments acted to bite the bullet
0:53:46.480,0:53:49.140
and incident what realistically that
would do
0:53:49.140,0:53:51.059
in terms of meeting the enormous cost of
0:53:51.059,0:53:53.809
the uh... of differences with the puzzle
0:53:53.809,0:53:56.089
let's go into the gulf coast pensacola
florida
0:53:56.089,0:53:57.319
you're on the air
0:53:57.319,0:54:04.319
i have
0:54:16.689,0:54:19.939
arms characteristic
0:54:19.939,0:54:21.989
by no means the senate
0:54:21.989,0:54:26.709
historic enemies very tactful
0:54:26.709,0:54:31.059
no
0:54:31.059,0:54:32.420
well
0:54:32.420,0:54:35.219
it's about a reckoned i'd
0:54:35.219,0:54:38.519
consideration but i can tell you that
uh... until the congress party contested
0:54:38.519,0:54:40.379
this election
0:54:40.379,0:54:43.799
has every election britain since the war
0:54:43.799,0:54:47.759
getting a total i think about fifty
thousand roads anexo done better than
0:54:47.759,0:54:50.389
that cover them p's and q point com
0:54:50.389,0:54:52.409
no i haven't sent
0:54:52.409,0:54:55.779
in the last few years of reformist
parties vision to
0:54:55.779,0:54:58.739
question its relationship to save
0:54:58.739,0:55:02.129
and i don't think that those two willow
survive i think it should be
0:55:02.129,0:55:02.880
people
0:55:02.880,0:55:05.789
whose party
0:55:05.789,0:55:06.819
liked shows
0:55:06.819,0:55:07.940
right now we're going to go to a club
0:55:07.940,0:55:11.170
social what i would like to emphasize
that the following well the communist
0:55:11.170,0:55:14.760
party as an organization is quite
separate from the labor party
0:55:14.760,0:55:18.460
uh... many people who would have used
similar to those in the communist party
0:55:18.460,0:55:19.090
off
0:55:19.090,0:55:22.539
members and indeed in some cases leading
man
0:55:22.539,0:55:25.329
uh... it was historically the case uh...
0:55:25.329,0:55:29.440
st just off to the second world war that
the labor party with particular king
0:55:29.440,0:55:31.889
the systematically root out
0:55:31.889,0:55:35.439
people who
0:55:35.439,0:55:38.670
not exact people who holds onto use but
but but certainly people who were
0:55:38.670,0:55:41.829
suspected all membership all
0:55:41.829,0:55:45.849
communist parties all the forms of
organized marxist groupings
0:55:45.849,0:55:49.410
there has been uh... decided but
weakening on this particular point
0:55:49.410,0:55:54.650
within the labor party acuna cousin so
rather dig into simple militant tendency
0:55:54.650,0:55:58.549
which is a pain in large grouping within
the labor party who
0:55:58.549,0:56:00.910
i think can be pretty reliably the
0:56:00.910,0:56:05.800
uh... identified as uh... members all a
particular props gets political party
0:56:05.800,0:56:09.140
and they they themselves were planted
and as such things and architect
0:56:09.140,0:56:12.780
what is striking is that while the
number of people on the right of the
0:56:12.780,0:56:13.760
labor party
0:56:13.760,0:56:16.129
a lot of a certain extent canning kam
self
0:56:16.129,0:56:19.580
identified with the the wish to do
something about this
0:56:19.580,0:56:25.179
a good number of very senior people
within the labor party not take the view
0:56:25.179,0:56:28.549
uh... substances within the labor party
uh... ob
0:56:28.549,0:56:31.769
competed to determine indicates most
appropriate than any action should be
0:56:31.769,0:56:33.209
taken against
0:56:33.209,0:56:36.119
so that in this but in this kind of
respect i don't think that i being
0:56:36.119,0:56:37.739
unfairly profits
0:56:37.739,0:56:39.910
uh... one can say that while to be sure
that is this
0:56:39.910,0:56:41.109
filling uh...
0:56:41.109,0:56:42.789
uh... british communist party
0:56:42.789,0:56:44.269
there are many people all
0:56:44.269,0:56:45.150
symbol of yours
0:56:45.150,0:56:49.130
or in some cases slightly more radically
monsters used who were indeed are
0:56:49.130,0:56:52.660
members of the labor party under certain
number of them have not been elected as
0:56:52.660,0:56:54.309
as they turn these
0:56:54.309,0:56:57.260
a talk briefly about the alliance
partner mcconico clep
0:56:57.260,0:56:58.240
first of all
0:56:58.240,0:57:00.120
besides social democrats
0:57:00.120,0:57:01.049
liberals
0:57:01.049,0:57:03.069
thirty miles i get that right
0:57:03.069,0:57:05.259
was in the alliance
0:57:05.259,0:57:06.749
know the alliance
0:57:06.749,0:57:09.949
courses over doesn't it is in the last
part is you had to say to school the
0:57:09.949,0:57:12.059
alliance for convenience
0:57:12.059,0:57:15.039
is an electoral
0:57:15.039,0:57:17.709
between the old liberal party of
historic liberal party of gladstone
0:57:17.709,0:57:20.779
asked if you will that used to
0:57:20.779,0:57:25.819
even atul pocket government was eclipsed
by labor unified century
0:57:25.819,0:57:27.769
and of the social democrats
0:57:27.769,0:57:30.179
with who also came to the party
0:57:30.179,0:57:32.039
locked in the main
0:57:32.039,0:57:34.749
people who defected from draper
0:57:34.749,0:57:38.189
complaining of a drift to the left
0:57:38.189,0:57:41.129
the late nineteen seventies and early
nineteen eighties
0:57:41.129,0:57:43.429
including several from account
0:57:43.429,0:57:47.599
is is a risk marriage if you can join
either party but you will you would find
0:57:47.599,0:57:48.799
it though
0:57:48.799,0:57:52.159
that any in any considers you one puts
up and that the other will mean they
0:57:52.159,0:57:54.429
have
0:57:54.429,0:57:55.679
unintended
0:57:55.679,0:58:00.269
let's go to that sound clip of the can
now
0:58:00.269,0:58:03.529
what was wrong then with the alliance
campaign
0:58:03.529,0:58:04.660
well i'm not sure
0:58:04.660,0:58:05.830
that anything was wrong
0:58:05.830,0:58:08.270
i think the message you know he loves
0:58:08.270,0:58:12.029
net world view mister obviously learn
lessons from campaign
0:58:12.029,0:58:12.809
but it's a little
0:58:12.809,0:58:15.009
steinman main question is
0:58:15.009,0:58:16.319
what was
0:58:16.319,0:58:21.529
with the concerted message why does that
still managed to hold up i think the on
0:58:21.529,0:58:22.489
certain
0:58:22.489,0:58:23.749
but we weren't
0:58:23.749,0:58:25.709
we didn't come from stronger
0:58:25.709,0:58:26.739
to give people
0:58:26.739,0:58:29.289
confidence steamy incentives
0:58:29.289,0:58:32.149
and that's been the problem that they
have strong law
0:58:32.149,0:58:35.919
and they must be many conservatives have
exactly like yours conservative
0:58:35.919,0:58:39.269
governments has been doing and yes
fairer
0:58:39.269,0:58:41.099
variety of things
0:58:41.099,0:58:45.849
allowed him to come and vote for us nor
indeed these fish numbers from impulsive
0:58:45.849,0:58:47.749
nine of us have done well
0:58:47.749,0:58:50.809
all you personally now prepared to
consider
0:58:50.809,0:58:52.299
emerged with them
0:58:52.299,0:58:55.869
well this is a massive for the members
of the participants in the universe is
0:58:55.869,0:58:56.689
this
0:58:56.689,0:59:02.019
i'm a democrat i'll talk to sort of most
democratic party and at seven being in
0:59:02.019,0:59:06.819
this country and uh... we have one
member one better valid arrangements it
0:59:06.819,0:59:10.809
will be discussed i don't think myself
to ship carrying two decisions
0:59:10.809,0:59:15.669
immediate solutions may appear that's
also real problems that also creates
0:59:15.669,0:59:18.249
many problems uh... i don't think back
in
0:59:18.249,0:59:21.769
but at this stage one should make any
firm decision except to say it's a
0:59:21.769,0:59:22.769
perfect
0:59:22.769,0:59:27.660
legitimate debate she's bound to go on
and all parties will be steps to talk
0:59:27.660,0:59:34.660
capsule for sexual c and it will in all
probability goes through this
0:59:34.769,0:59:37.719
what do you work which are assessed at
sei
0:59:37.719,0:59:39.559
his statement well
0:59:39.559,0:59:44.109
the alarmed certainly haven't done very
well in part i think it was the full of
0:59:44.109,0:59:48.159
the leaders of the airline's leads to
say that there was a they built into a
0:59:48.159,0:59:50.389
mess about their own
0:59:50.389,0:59:54.940
uh... diesel defense policy uh... there
was also an ambiguity as to
0:59:54.940,0:59:59.260
if they had come in the position of
effingham and that's a very souls
0:59:59.260,1:00:02.950
or of being in a position form some sort
of coalition government one of the other
1:00:02.950,1:00:03.680
parties
1:00:03.680,1:00:06.009
but the crew would have taken the lead
between him
1:00:06.009,1:00:08.189
and steel
1:00:08.189,1:00:11.819
they were also kids it seems to me on
this particular case and by the source
1:00:11.819,1:00:13.309
of soul that was given
1:00:13.309,1:00:15.229
by the labor party to milk in it
1:00:15.229,1:00:17.210
has to say for looks back
1:00:17.210,1:00:21.509
point at which the social democrats left
the labor party one in which it looked
1:00:21.509,1:00:24.949
very much as if increasing park
1:00:24.949,1:00:27.839
falling into the hands of the
1:00:27.839,1:00:31.170
strong left wing people in labor party
1:00:31.170,1:00:35.550
in which also a lot more part was being
given to the local activists in the
1:00:35.550,1:00:36.650
various uh...
1:00:36.650,1:00:38.039
different
1:00:38.039,1:00:39.650
parliamentary constituencies
1:00:39.650,1:00:41.419
as opposed to
1:00:41.419,1:00:44.869
uh... the way in which things at work
before which is the the sir
1:00:44.869,1:00:47.650
things have been settled essentially by
the being done by the parliamentary
1:00:47.650,1:00:50.249
labor party who much more to the right
1:00:50.249,1:00:55.009
what happened with the particular so
given this time to the labor party
1:00:55.009,1:00:58.930
that kinnock was emphasized indeed
1:00:58.930,1:01:02.759
has been in the position to exercise
these for the time being a bit more
1:01:02.759,1:01:04.509
authority in party
1:01:04.509,1:01:08.299
such that the very thing that left then
led his people to go out of the labor
1:01:08.299,1:01:08.989
party
1:01:08.989,1:01:12.020
with null null keenan in any very
obvious way there
1:01:12.020,1:01:16.059
also they did this the problem is moving
with with with can frolicking across the
1:01:16.059,1:01:19.109
clips retreat certainly looked at the
track didn't seem to use
1:01:19.109,1:01:24.830
used to uh... uh... uh... leaders of the
allied uh... looking i think this
1:01:24.830,1:01:27.369
increasingly cv as time went well so
1:01:27.369,1:01:30.729
on the in in a way the the alone
1:01:30.729,1:01:33.829
the media's attraction particularly all
1:01:33.829,1:01:35.660
david owen group who was
1:01:35.660,1:01:38.770
was seen very much of those taking
british politics
1:01:38.770,1:01:43.649
in a row the self-consciously american
direction that uh... this
1:01:43.649,1:01:45.949
the impact of that
1:01:45.949,1:01:51.709
was lost in favor of the particular sort
of campaign
1:01:51.709,1:01:53.849
meyer farrakhan chinaman
1:01:53.849,1:01:55.409
my favorite
1:01:55.409,1:01:59.959
i think a distilling opportunist
minuscule when they seek to until two
1:01:59.959,1:02:04.649
as wanting to be one knowledge looks at
much likewise as a stillbirth
1:02:04.649,1:02:09.019
that there was an occasional which they
both appeared on them
1:02:09.019,1:02:10.239
and would be an interview
1:02:10.239,1:02:12.509
looking like to them
1:02:12.509,1:02:17.789
ashu give it more like i was in costello
dvd and answer and um...
1:02:17.789,1:02:20.380
the interview are still a proper
question off which is which
1:02:20.380,1:02:24.449
party of the other two main parties do
most consider
1:02:24.449,1:02:27.269
uh... you arrival which deep which you
must decide
1:02:27.269,1:02:30.890
and steel was opening his mouth say the
tours and david ensor delayed because
1:02:30.890,1:02:32.899
the defense
1:02:32.899,1:02:39.209
and still just so shut his mouth and
sent back well thats
1:02:39.209,1:02:42.959
burns answers correct i can tell him
until you mean there's no room for two
1:02:42.959,1:02:43.859
toward
1:02:43.859,1:02:47.569
we've already got a very very big one
territory
1:02:47.569,1:02:49.560
estan el paso texas you're on
1:02:49.560,1:02:53.929
her
1:02:53.929,1:02:56.739
it are
1:02:56.739,1:03:01.899
yeah
1:03:01.899,1:03:06.940
are to
1:03:06.940,1:03:09.989
ali
1:03:09.989,1:03:13.489
detail
1:03:13.489,1:03:18.379
theory
1:03:18.379,1:03:20.099
art finger when
1:03:20.099,1:03:21.579
we
1:03:21.579,1:03:22.579
full measure
1:03:22.579,1:03:26.299
with the disaster the arrangement
1:03:26.299,1:03:28.019
will be spoiled for choice
1:03:28.019,1:03:32.749
side which was steepest long-run thing
did but among them
1:03:32.749,1:03:35.259
high on the list will have to be
1:03:35.259,1:03:39.619
inauguration a trade war with japan
while trying
1:03:39.619,1:03:40.910
uh... two-edged
1:03:40.910,1:03:42.559
three miniaturized
1:03:42.559,1:03:44.849
won all the other server not but
1:03:44.849,1:03:47.839
going to have the most profoundly
harmful
1:03:47.839,1:03:52.719
it would be awfully long europe
accomplishments n
1:03:52.719,1:03:55.020
yes if i can just pull in briefly first
of all
1:03:55.020,1:03:59.389
i think that this is mister all one
doesn
1:03:59.389,1:04:00.890
uh... it seems to me that
1:04:00.890,1:04:05.899
in japanese products uncertain
1:04:05.899,1:04:10.029
features of objective management
1:04:10.029,1:04:12.959
removed from these people going to men
see
1:04:12.959,1:04:16.219
and uh... i i think that this be
extremely short sighted review for you
1:04:16.219,1:04:17.429
with two
1:04:17.429,1:04:20.179
attempt to excluding pro-market
1:04:20.179,1:04:22.449
in terms of
1:04:22.449,1:04:24.819
assuming the cost of defense
1:04:24.819,1:04:29.639
bench so difficult one and certainly
given the misgivings about
1:04:29.639,1:04:33.699
japan but still seem to be a very real
natural barista i think that that it
1:04:33.699,1:04:34.569
wouldn't be
1:04:34.569,1:04:40.729
uh... very welcome suggestion to to
consider nation real and defense costs
1:04:40.729,1:04:41.669
possibly
1:04:41.669,1:04:46.359
uh... but i think that the the important
lesson really is too
1:04:46.359,1:04:49.819
that we should be landing is that we
should be keeping our markets open that
1:04:49.819,1:04:53.079
we should be willing to learn
1:04:53.079,1:04:57.299
to imitate as indeed the japanese done
so that um... we intend to talk better
1:04:57.299,1:04:58.230
treatments
1:04:58.230,1:05:00.929
uh... as they did it with some of them
1:05:00.929,1:05:03.029
burbank illinois you're on
1:05:03.029,1:05:04.589
eka
1:05:04.589,1:05:06.269
uh... i was wondering
1:05:06.269,1:05:07.279
about this
1:05:07.279,1:05:13.089
greater thatcher chronology a falkland
islands
1:05:13.089,1:05:15.759
nader they handled it
1:05:15.759,1:05:21.099
within predicate made out with five
thousand approve right beat up on the
1:05:21.099,1:05:23.859
controversial uh... q
1:05:23.859,1:05:29.079
structured workers margaret thatcher
higher to build a paris trip concord i
1:05:29.079,1:05:30.839
think probably
1:05:30.839,1:05:37.839
case uh... we really have a prenatal
kelly reportedly green web
1:05:37.939,1:05:42.599
and uh... article is upset about that
1:05:42.599,1:05:46.199
radio collar up at that don't worry
about the american taxpayer little
1:05:46.199,1:05:48.239
either airport
1:05:48.239,1:05:54.019
and also i want to get arrested uh...
autopsy puked out there at the ballpark
1:05:54.019,1:06:01.019
and uh... you know article p_r_ that i
was just wondering microbiologist right
1:06:01.829,1:06:05.259
rome washington like you might 'em
1:06:05.259,1:06:09.189
there were i mean wrong i'm not just in
chronology uh...
1:06:09.189,1:06:13.189
the i was a great at the time of the the
airport was being built depicted such
1:06:13.189,1:06:16.779
workers at the request of the canadian
government which needed
1:06:16.779,1:06:19.529
an international airport which united
states government didn't think it would
1:06:19.529,1:06:21.269
be allowed to her
1:06:21.269,1:06:24.439
because it said it could be used for
military aircraft and prove the point by
1:06:24.439,1:06:27.729
landing cacao vision of uh... and um...
1:06:27.729,1:06:29.199
well rather
1:06:29.199,1:06:33.819
absolute exactly what's going to be part
of uh...
1:06:33.819,1:06:37.180
or some time off the phone
1:06:37.180,1:06:39.319
there was a british objections
1:06:39.319,1:06:41.199
in greeley really a matter of
1:06:41.199,1:06:43.150
and will prob
1:06:43.150,1:06:44.689
vation because
1:06:44.689,1:06:48.130
but it was a member of the commonwealth
its head of state a semester
1:06:48.130,1:06:49.909
units second
1:06:49.909,1:06:51.529
and it was felt
1:06:51.529,1:06:54.220
that the british at least have been told
1:06:54.220,1:06:56.569
if american forces been abused
1:06:56.569,1:06:58.839
in such a country
1:06:58.839,1:07:00.369
the response to that
1:07:00.369,1:07:02.069
things to say well
1:07:02.069,1:07:05.009
will join over the four comes didn't we
1:07:05.009,1:07:07.989
which wasn't which is really a non
sequitur onset
1:07:07.989,1:07:10.489
uh... i was pretty true because actually
if either
1:07:10.489,1:07:12.849
presently have been carnage
1:07:12.849,1:07:17.179
general got areas is fascist to ship
objectively they could get away with
1:07:17.179,1:07:19.359
anything
1:07:19.359,1:07:23.869
in return for it's helping the death
squad nicaraguan country
1:07:23.869,1:07:26.839
which it was doing there would know they
would look ever most of the arrogance
1:07:26.839,1:07:30.269
standard opens in the first person who
will be spent a great deal of trouble
1:07:30.269,1:07:33.229
i think there were britain's own fault
in the construction the airport i think
1:07:33.229,1:07:34.990
in the control tower bringin
1:07:34.990,1:07:38.010
some systems it is true to say that the
present government which is
1:07:38.010,1:07:41.410
uh... reps and very undeveloped country
indeed had foreign aid from
1:07:41.410,1:07:44.459
holland from switzerland belgian
prospered though
1:07:44.459,1:07:45.969
the
1:07:45.969,1:07:48.150
crucial matter that was the the
1:07:48.150,1:07:49.589
with the chemical
1:07:49.589,1:07:51.849
motivated yeah
1:07:51.849,1:07:56.559
yes i i recall being in the u_s_ just
off the the british invasion of the
1:07:56.559,1:07:58.549
falkland islands and uh...
1:07:58.549,1:08:01.940
with attending a triple being given by
the american economist marry rough
1:08:01.940,1:08:04.599
bother me dot on tue onto some of these
matters
1:08:04.599,1:08:07.260
and i suggested in the end but possibly
1:08:07.260,1:08:08.030
the best
1:08:08.030,1:08:11.569
moved reagan could make to alicia lah
reelection
1:08:11.569,1:08:16.029
will be to persuade the cubans to lend
ellis island and then a ceremonial
1:08:16.029,1:08:17.259
expelled them
1:08:17.259,1:08:21.049
uh... i i didn't would be a bit time
that someone might have been listening
1:08:21.049,1:08:27.339
to this uh... announce uh... within the
u_s_ up to this business in granada
1:08:27.339,1:08:30.060
we've heard so far from the alliance
from the labor party and now it's time
1:08:30.060,1:08:35.650
to hear from the conservative party
freaking out that clip now
1:08:35.650,1:08:38.650
what about what all the police's
particularly to think that have
1:08:38.650,1:08:41.299
attracted people to the conservatives
once again the time
1:08:41.299,1:08:43.149
strength of the economy
1:08:43.149,1:08:48.449
uh... uh... openness about how proposals
in contrast of the seat of the labor
1:08:48.449,1:08:49.589
party
1:08:49.589,1:08:54.549
and the way in which the labor party was
caught out time and time again trying to
1:08:54.549,1:08:56.309
conceal its policies
1:08:56.309,1:09:00.779
and eventually of course the incident
sulfur one particular like a shadow
1:09:00.779,1:09:04.370
minister becoming very abusive when he
was corpau
1:09:04.370,1:09:08.529
you think that instant referring to that
mister helium mister heelys
1:09:08.529,1:09:12.150
uh... instant on t_v_ i_m_f_ what it
will affect on the floor well i think it
1:09:12.150,1:09:13.790
just shop and lee
1:09:13.790,1:09:17.160
point that we were making that there is
a great element of to see some hypocrisy
1:09:17.160,1:09:20.080
in labor party it on the line that
1:09:20.080,1:09:23.230
what about the position of assistant
what would you say was her contribution
1:09:23.230,1:09:25.850
to the success thirty one how much has
been made of
1:09:25.850,1:09:29.759
position as leader unless the person for
whom people vote for don't well i think
1:09:29.759,1:09:33.739
she and i am dot colleagues and uh...
all the conservative party workers in
1:09:33.739,1:09:36.019
the country of minded between us
1:09:36.019,1:09:40.029
uh... and i think that's the right way
to the fact that uh... a team effort
1:09:40.029,1:09:43.359
as she knew that it and the rest of us
back to top
1:09:43.359,1:09:47.939
and they voted so far on these
indications seem to given her voter
1:09:47.939,1:09:49.649
approval
1:09:49.649,1:09:51.859
pressure greed assessment
1:09:51.859,1:09:53.980
uh... more than i'd like us are fun to
have it
1:09:53.980,1:09:57.489
uniquely to test for packed uh... i'm i
wish i had the local knowledge to be
1:09:57.489,1:10:00.510
sure of what he means by the denis healy
1:10:00.510,1:10:04.389
incident and very may know but i i can
imagine what it must be must be that
1:10:04.389,1:10:05.760
uh...
1:10:05.760,1:10:09.920
denis healy who is spokesman for former
defense policy parties know not to be is
1:10:09.920,1:10:13.480
keen on some and not expect that
1:10:13.480,1:10:15.539
ka came out
1:10:15.539,1:10:20.369
the truth is that i think labor did
rather tried
1:10:20.369,1:10:26.190
i've tried to run without taking any of
the shoppers is
1:10:26.190,1:10:27.739
uh... where they might not too much
1:10:27.739,1:10:30.550
show might reveal parties
1:10:30.550,1:10:33.459
so people but cannot grow
1:10:33.459,1:10:36.849
and a found that there is a sort of
skepticism in the electorate that
1:10:36.849,1:10:40.719
doesn't respond to that but knows when
it's been himself so probably would have
1:10:40.719,1:10:42.469
done no works
1:10:42.469,1:10:44.900
to run on the left program honestly
1:10:44.900,1:10:48.250
them to be suspected of having one
pretending not
1:10:48.250,1:10:49.979
if i could comment on that
1:10:49.979,1:10:51.979
seems to me picking up
1:10:51.979,1:10:56.469
tibbetts point before most what really
in britain's contribute strength on
1:10:56.469,1:10:57.760
monday
1:10:57.760,1:11:00.719
the big achievement of the present after
government
1:11:00.719,1:11:02.449
uh... being to check
1:11:02.449,1:11:03.870
the powerful the
1:11:03.870,1:11:05.429
british trade unions
1:11:05.429,1:11:07.010
which should have
1:11:07.010,1:11:12.659
particularly conservative
1:11:12.659,1:11:16.090
louis who go to depict the conservative
falls in in the sense of making
1:11:16.090,1:11:18.030
innovation difficult
1:11:18.030,1:11:19.519
and under really making it big
1:11:19.519,1:11:22.909
very very difficult for management to
manage
1:11:22.909,1:11:26.370
for investment to go into areas that
were profitable
1:11:26.370,1:11:30.309
into britain ready to respond to changes
elsewhere in the world economy
1:11:30.309,1:11:33.650
problem concerning the labor party an
innocent spot
1:11:33.650,1:11:34.380
i
1:11:34.380,1:11:38.039
i think that people in britain are
consid
1:11:38.039,1:11:42.090
hidden question along the divinity come
out is whether the labor party
1:11:42.090,1:11:43.820
it had to go back into power
1:11:43.820,1:11:46.130
would really intending to restore
1:11:46.130,1:11:48.510
to the british trade union movement
1:11:48.510,1:11:51.570
not only
1:11:51.570,1:11:53.360
privileges that have been
1:11:53.360,1:11:57.969
removed from the trade union movement
uh... by the conservative party
1:11:57.969,1:11:59.829
but also
1:11:59.829,1:12:02.940
praha in terms of and ability to come
1:12:02.940,1:12:05.090
to have a big say
1:12:05.090,1:12:08.760
in the direction which an investment in
industry would convert
1:12:08.760,1:12:11.820
the problem is ready this
1:12:11.820,1:12:13.210
talk about bridesburg
1:12:13.210,1:12:17.670
folk for workers it is really extremely
attractive to complain about the i'm
1:12:17.670,1:12:20.260
paul recalled all british
1:12:20.260,1:12:24.329
company is uh... in investing in in and
capital in britain's is
1:12:24.329,1:12:27.709
uh... again uh... of a striking
1:12:27.709,1:12:30.149
the difficult duty is
1:12:30.149,1:12:34.969
the british trade union movement thurs
1:12:34.969,1:12:37.260
difficult uh...
1:12:37.260,1:12:39.519
at any moment spree
1:12:39.519,1:12:41.170
has reviewed
1:12:41.170,1:12:44.059
enid string unhelpful falls
1:12:44.059,1:12:47.409
in terms of britain's responses to
change it
1:12:47.409,1:12:50.849
but that the labor party because of its
extremely close ties
1:12:50.849,1:12:53.260
through the treaty and in fact
historically
1:12:53.260,1:12:56.920
having been to bring you the preacher of
the treaty movement couldn't get them if
1:12:56.920,1:13:01.070
if reelected but i think army
considerable concessions to work this is
1:13:01.070,1:13:02.729
an
1:13:02.729,1:13:05.519
and i think that in this manner
1:13:05.519,1:13:07.190
i guess most people would see
1:13:07.190,1:13:11.630
as really an enormously important
contribution of the protein mate
1:13:11.630,1:13:13.590
that would be to be dis
1:13:13.590,1:13:17.820
it's got to bail colorado iraq
1:13:17.820,1:13:24.820
are
1:13:33.499,1:13:36.659
under just finished saying that i
thought they tried to run
1:13:36.659,1:13:38.270
uh... when on political
1:13:38.270,1:13:39.370
presidential time
1:13:39.370,1:13:41.639
campaign
1:13:41.639,1:13:45.630
so i got your point that extend or
implied point to a question
1:13:45.630,1:13:46.630
uh...
1:13:46.630,1:13:48.859
it's not the allegation most commonly
made
1:13:48.859,1:13:52.880
the uh... i guess misconduct against
that too much income but
1:13:52.880,1:13:55.619
with poses the to specifically i dont
1:13:55.619,1:13:57.530
uh...
1:13:57.530,1:13:58.940
and off for to be
1:13:58.940,1:14:02.070
uh... policies that
1:14:02.070,1:14:04.100
this is the trade unions
1:14:04.100,1:14:09.489
condemned by history i an antiquarian
attachment
1:14:09.489,1:14:12.669
when the case of defense
1:14:12.669,1:14:13.800
arousing
1:14:13.800,1:14:14.730
concern
1:14:14.730,1:14:16.110
granison but
1:14:16.110,1:14:20.649
without nuclear weapons britain would be
dependable
1:14:20.649,1:14:21.929
these are the
1:14:21.929,1:14:25.369
these are the policies and these are the
reasons why never tried to run the
1:14:25.369,1:14:27.130
numbers will come back
1:14:27.130,1:14:30.800
though they were justified in saying
that they didn't have
1:14:30.800,1:14:33.670
like to briefly just switch to british
television
1:14:33.670,1:14:37.869
there are no paid political
advertisements lower
1:14:37.869,1:14:39.120
uh...
1:14:39.120,1:14:41.979
in all it for you to make a
1:14:41.979,1:14:44.219
have to be minimum
1:14:44.219,1:14:45.310
three-and-a-half weeks
1:14:45.310,1:14:47.360
so what is coverage like
1:14:47.360,1:14:51.030
where the saturation but it's though its
over to watson and by the bc you know
1:14:51.030,1:14:53.210
the balance rule if you interview
1:14:53.210,1:14:55.699
onboard b_b_c_ news bulletin
1:14:55.699,1:14:59.049
the government party you've got to have
equal time for it but it's been
1:14:59.049,1:15:00.020
complicated by the
1:15:00.020,1:15:03.269
presence of project contains two parties
but
1:15:03.269,1:15:04.929
in some proportion to support
1:15:04.929,1:15:06.239
in that case
1:15:06.239,1:15:10.429
they get equal time to you can't buy
t_v_ time policy
1:15:10.429,1:15:14.440
your reaction address each candidate's
and manifesto
1:15:14.440,1:15:16.879
is a his or her inconsistencies giving
out free
1:15:16.879,1:15:20.590
twice once when the company begins wants
them
1:15:20.590,1:15:23.469
so there's no money to be spent
1:15:23.469,1:15:24.769
enlightenment that way
1:15:24.769,1:15:29.120
all these no reforms for the students to
achieve vince
1:15:29.120,1:15:32.610
it's anastasi great emphasis to on polls
1:15:32.610,1:15:34.409
they clear
1:15:34.409,1:15:37.059
is there any way to get away from that
and that's complain you heard united
1:15:37.059,1:15:38.639
states now
1:15:38.639,1:15:41.209
reporters don't want to talk about
issues
1:15:41.209,1:15:44.639
wanna talk about holes in them that
question keeps coming up in these
1:15:44.639,1:15:48.239
characters how do you get away from that
well one way in which you might start to
1:15:48.239,1:15:51.779
get away from it is by reflecting on the
accuracy
1:15:51.779,1:15:53.510
e boldness basin and with
1:15:53.510,1:15:57.619
uh... in a situation where the
conservative party is picked up maturity
1:15:57.619,1:15:58.239
old
1:15:58.239,1:15:59.679
uh... over a hundred
1:15:59.679,1:16:02.829
uh... when no one expected that
especially those people who got being
1:16:02.829,1:16:07.719
guided by the polls also got the gradual
emergence in in britain of a great deal
1:16:07.719,1:16:10.720
of action symptoms all responsiveness to
say
1:16:10.720,1:16:14.500
evening from an overall knowledge of
what the uh...
1:16:14.500,1:16:17.920
percentage of the votes wasn't because
of the picked up their party picked up
1:16:17.920,1:16:18.690
and so on
1:16:18.690,1:16:21.719
uh... it's extremely difficult to to
make predictions what this
1:16:21.719,1:16:23.949
that means is that that sperm
1:16:23.949,1:16:25.079
on gets polls
1:16:25.079,1:16:30.650
um... going for much more particular
preferences in under specially
1:16:30.650,1:16:34.780
preparing for what may be important
factors in particular model seats i'm
1:16:34.780,1:16:37.479
not sure though that that would have to
say that i mean that would be what great
1:16:37.479,1:16:41.300
care uncertainty is what great kept by
the people running the campaign's for
1:16:41.300,1:16:45.050
the political punches uh... it wouldn't
i think the court is news workday
1:16:45.050,1:16:48.449
uh... in terms of the of media so
1:16:48.449,1:16:52.179
if unless the polls and we can get their
act together
1:16:52.179,1:16:55.139
omega i guess in the indigent a certain
uh...
1:16:55.139,1:16:57.230
the emphasis on an important
1:16:57.230,1:16:59.179
the baltimore maryland you're on
1:16:59.179,1:17:06.179
uh... whispers
1:17:09.550,1:17:13.420
carry
1:17:13.420,1:17:18.550
support
1:17:18.550,1:17:25.550
question
1:17:25.879,1:17:27.709
would like to say
1:17:27.709,1:17:29.260
the chances
1:17:29.260,1:17:33.650
charges of such a person been greatly
reduced
1:17:33.650,1:17:36.339
batch of because it's been in that sort
of thing
1:17:36.339,1:17:39.010
well you'll porn
1:17:39.010,1:17:41.679
to whom
1:17:41.679,1:17:44.179
makes much too much difference too much
1:17:44.179,1:17:46.619
that's been criticism
1:17:46.619,1:17:49.109
i wouldn't say that you made any better
1:17:49.109,1:17:50.989
and it's very noticeable that the
1:17:50.989,1:17:55.699
the three-and-a-half million also people
con blood which is say roughly
1:17:55.699,1:17:58.369
eleven to twelve percent were
1:17:58.369,1:17:59.550
all right of people who
1:17:59.550,1:18:04.469
from aging industries incision in his
will to do about
1:18:04.469,1:18:06.270
the school leaving
1:18:06.270,1:18:09.340
that's a lot of people will never work
again
1:18:09.340,1:18:11.679
or people who've never had a job yet
1:18:11.679,1:18:14.480
and those are the two things that make
it to keep pressing problem it's not a
1:18:14.480,1:18:18.710
seasonal cycle unemployment c it's it's
becoming a pr
1:18:18.710,1:18:20.239
were close on
1:18:20.239,1:18:22.389
and that's
1:18:22.389,1:18:24.469
that war was labor's big
1:18:24.469,1:18:28.400
attempted team in the campaign and
though it didn't work would go away as a
1:18:28.400,1:18:30.719
question
1:18:30.719,1:18:34.719
it certainly telephone people in such a
situation if they are living in london
1:18:34.719,1:18:36.080
in the southeast
1:18:36.080,1:18:37.730
uh... they can probably get employment
1:18:37.730,1:18:42.130
again defaced many more difficult isn't
finding someone who can afford to live
1:18:42.130,1:18:45.790
uh... if they're in more than sitters
particularly those which are had a
1:18:45.790,1:18:49.730
uh... at the traditional of large-scale
manufacturing employment uh... then the
1:18:49.730,1:18:51.829
situation is extremely tough
1:18:51.829,1:18:55.610
the conservative party has put enormous
amount of effort into
1:18:55.610,1:18:58.740
various kinds of youth training schemes
and they are they now have moved to a
1:18:58.740,1:19:03.090
situation where they guaranteeing people
uh... vacation related training for a
1:19:03.090,1:19:05.729
couple of years after after leaving
school
1:19:05.729,1:19:10.969
uh... that phone uh... anyone who
compiled otherwise get implement
1:19:10.969,1:19:14.870
what what is going to save more efforts
to be put into that and
1:19:14.870,1:19:21.039
it's it's a good so much a difficult
situation it just because
1:19:21.039,1:19:23.909
uh... in such people with
1:19:23.909,1:19:27.010
competition certainly in in many that
traditional forms of employment for the
1:19:27.010,1:19:29.679
night of the to uh... with
1:19:29.679,1:19:35.089
uh... developing economist who in many
cases have moved into just those areas
1:19:35.089,1:19:35.939
where
1:19:35.939,1:19:40.389
the previous generation uh... these
young people would have been plant
1:19:40.389,1:19:44.179
or serrano it's more of a voted for
government believes the time fund is a
1:19:44.179,1:19:47.199
good thing because it could be used to
this tribune
1:19:47.199,1:19:49.920
held and where john is and that
therefore
1:19:49.920,1:19:53.199
but the threat of the dole queue will
discipline them in the market
1:19:53.199,1:19:56.469
uh... and that he and uses that as the
main instrument
1:19:56.469,1:19:57.449
the market
1:19:57.449,1:20:00.280
that's not a government saying what we
do about it but that's a government
1:20:00.280,1:20:00.830
saying
1:20:00.830,1:20:04.659
we want to know if i'm going to be able
to do this do you think
1:20:04.659,1:20:06.810
mrs thatcher could
1:20:06.810,1:20:08.380
she would not
1:20:08.380,1:20:11.469
uh... produced for this election
1:20:11.469,1:20:13.690
really radical
1:20:13.690,1:20:15.230
uh... decline in
1:20:15.230,1:20:16.949
uh... unemployment figures
1:20:16.949,1:20:18.800
i will
1:20:18.800,1:20:21.739
category said yes they tried for the
election
1:20:21.739,1:20:23.210
accuser and wants to
1:20:23.210,1:20:26.489
bring the figures dot mainly by creating
book
1:20:26.489,1:20:30.359
but i will say that the original
creation was involvement constantly but
1:20:30.359,1:20:32.129
yes it was a it was a means
1:20:32.129,1:20:36.000
was the means by which they did
something he would just praise
1:20:36.000,1:20:38.830
which would bring the trade unions under
control
1:20:38.830,1:20:41.909
like a one other thing three blacks were
elected to parliament understand this is
1:20:41.909,1:20:42.780
a first
1:20:42.780,1:20:44.269
are just about to say and and
1:20:44.269,1:20:47.960
it's even worse if you're young black
1:20:47.960,1:20:49.500
but raja what's going on
1:20:49.500,1:20:52.329
yeah that's it's not a first
1:20:52.329,1:20:57.099
historically because the were there's a
new level of indians in the uh...
1:20:57.099,1:21:01.230
twenty two billion michael barone sakal
product was what was being first
1:21:01.230,1:21:05.780
indian and the first policy also first
communist
1:21:05.780,1:21:06.840
um...
1:21:06.840,1:21:09.590
other than that this is a for distorted
1:21:09.590,1:21:11.469
i think we went on
1:21:11.469,1:21:12.480
yes that's right
1:21:12.480,1:21:16.480
uh... the taurus taurus can claim to
have the first jewish prams first back
1:21:16.480,1:21:17.880
to the prime minister
1:21:17.880,1:21:19.909
and the first female
1:21:19.909,1:21:24.169
survey report isn't that bad but it'll
go hard for them to cavity
1:21:24.169,1:21:27.219
any serious back on that day
1:21:27.219,1:21:30.010
made too many appeals to racial
prejudice
1:21:30.010,1:21:33.199
uh... in uh... subliminally or directly
1:21:33.199,1:21:36.909
to attract used if i can come in on that
i'm
1:21:36.909,1:21:41.269
wouldn't be at port surprised to see you
1:21:41.269,1:21:43.439
uh... tory m_p_s
1:21:43.439,1:21:45.099
evasive their number
1:21:45.099,1:21:46.969
of people who can distances
1:21:46.969,1:21:50.190
but i think my neighborhood my own
disgrace that took a party with the
1:21:50.190,1:21:52.960
ability to elect visa soviet park
1:21:52.960,1:21:54.979
hasn't done that already have paid
1:21:54.979,1:21:56.909
the fact is they have not enough
1:21:56.909,1:22:00.949
black and brown p will virtually because
they know very well so to u
1:22:00.949,1:22:02.629
began in the slippers to
1:22:02.629,1:22:04.790
the settlement background people
1:22:04.790,1:22:07.719
we're almost out of time alike take at
least one more call center i fail
1:22:07.719,1:22:09.280
california you're on
1:22:09.280,1:22:11.100
alvo
1:22:11.100,1:22:13.869
crap
1:22:13.869,1:22:17.110
evolutionary other surgery performed
1:22:17.110,1:22:19.790
proprietor diversion
1:22:19.790,1:22:21.330
dictators
1:22:21.330,1:22:22.499
election
1:22:22.499,1:22:24.999
viet que no longer bath
1:22:24.999,1:22:27.670
uh... that
1:22:27.670,1:22:33.319
uh... except that we need privately
devolution workbook
1:22:33.319,1:22:38.609
certain questions uh... cerebral palsy
1:22:38.609,1:22:42.079
uh... thank prepare a various serious
1:22:42.079,1:22:45.619
disintegration al capone to everybody
1:22:45.619,1:22:49.189
a lot of uh... going through the f_b_i_
liberalize
1:22:49.189,1:22:50.369
from a stream
1:22:50.369,1:22:55.249
libertarian proposal para
1:22:55.249,1:22:58.010
if i can come in on the spoke with uh...
1:22:58.010,1:22:59.899
the united kingdom longer united
1:22:59.899,1:23:03.529
certainly the poorest of dawn
particularly badly in scotland although
1:23:03.529,1:23:08.479
that's in some ways to be explained by
the very particular quality of the
1:23:08.479,1:23:13.609
conservative party in scotland where to
put it bluntly they tended to put up to
1:23:13.609,1:23:19.159
the the younger did result of second
song of a local lads all i mentioned
1:23:19.159,1:23:23.949
banker from from london uh... turned wet
particularly i suppose the the
1:23:23.949,1:23:28.919
middle-class despite the aggressive
um... spinal all took such a government
1:23:28.919,1:23:31.779
of those people who've been attracted to
it was just drop the spots up the wrong
1:23:31.779,1:23:36.689
way in my view things certainly i mean
things about a seat on very badly uh...
1:23:36.689,1:23:39.639
i would've thought though that's more a
matter of rethinking bleak for the
1:23:39.639,1:23:44.699
conservative party in scotland and than
than something which is is uh... i
1:23:44.699,1:23:45.849
compete right off
1:23:45.849,1:23:47.469
uh... delusions
1:23:47.469,1:23:49.300
it's difficult i mean
1:23:49.300,1:23:52.150
sprawl a supporter of the conservative
party in some ways it's extremely
1:23:52.150,1:23:56.239
tempting on the grounds that if it was
the pollution in scotland uh... whales
1:23:56.239,1:24:00.309
then of britain that they would how the
d_n_a_ went in having further elections
1:24:00.309,1:24:03.239
and and and england on the grounds of
the dea professional conservative
1:24:03.239,1:24:05.110
majority
1:24:05.110,1:24:08.090
interns all the dissolution the
parliamentary labour party i would've
1:24:08.090,1:24:09.539
thought not uh...
1:24:09.539,1:24:12.999
uh... i would have full phillips of
things elected to stay pretty much as
1:24:12.999,1:24:13.959
they are
1:24:13.959,1:24:19.429
uh... maybe swipe leave overtime
increases in the influence of some of
1:24:19.429,1:24:23.219
the more radical elements in the party
but when it comes to an election bilby
1:24:23.219,1:24:24.710
increasingly
1:24:24.710,1:24:28.900
produce either kinect co or assault of
side the small about version connected a
1:24:28.900,1:24:33.060
bit more harrington positively younger
insult of bouncing over the tips is a
1:24:33.060,1:24:34.749
permanent not over the clips but
1:24:34.749,1:24:40.020
danzig across the kids all brothers just
a walking
1:24:40.020,1:24:43.429
it's true that tories are as whereas
uh... rocking horse
1:24:43.429,1:24:45.099
droppings and
1:24:45.099,1:24:47.550
scotland wales but that's always been
true
1:24:47.550,1:24:49.560
uh... and delusion
1:24:49.560,1:24:52.979
yukon dr delusion i think
1:24:52.979,1:24:55.179
scotland wales uh...
1:24:55.179,1:24:57.209
uh... could be states as well as name
1:24:57.209,1:25:04.030
we've been package
1:25:04.030,1:25:06.919
province civic and
1:25:06.919,1:25:08.949
and unmentioned was uh...
1:25:08.949,1:25:11.960
when i'm not quite certain what results
were where
1:25:11.960,1:25:13.500
where there is now
1:25:13.500,1:25:16.580
uh... an extraordinary disaffection
1:25:16.580,1:25:18.650
by the conservative uh...
1:25:18.650,1:25:19.750
in this case the orange
1:25:19.750,1:25:21.460
hosting
1:25:21.460,1:25:24.179
uh... protestants and and i think that
1:25:24.179,1:25:28.010
disaffection from sort of course is now
pretty much
1:25:28.010,1:25:30.150
the conservative are you want to walk
1:25:30.150,1:25:33.860
conservative only in a very particular
sends i mean that they're conservative
1:25:33.860,1:25:35.940
in the sense of keeping up there in
traditions
1:25:35.940,1:25:39.230
they conservative in the sense that
there was another alliance with the
1:25:39.230,1:25:42.389
conservatives but i i i think sure you'd
agree that the
1:25:42.389,1:25:46.209
uh... but both of the traditions in
northern ireland all in a way onto the
1:25:46.209,1:25:49.899
floor into anything to be found and in
mainland england although there are
1:25:49.899,1:25:53.899
certain echoes object in the politics of
the west of scotland islanders and other
1:25:53.899,1:25:58.679
countries recognition yet to come also
the interns of scotland it does seem to
1:25:58.679,1:26:02.000
me that one mustn't but scotland pa with
whales because
1:26:02.000,1:26:03.419
but that's
1:26:03.419,1:26:07.289
different scottish legal traditions the
different are very different and
1:26:07.289,1:26:11.409
distinctive culture in scotland uh... is
something which i think it would
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certainly be possible to think of is
having a much greater degree of autonomy
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if if of independence was informative
whales uh... a large sections of of
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whales are competing size
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uh... and the post nationalist
themselves of
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mostly operating in uh... robot courses
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jeremy share our out of time
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by very quickly
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christopher hitchens thank you very much
for being here like in a special thanks
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to the b_b_c_ george mason university
out here in fairfax virginia in capitol
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connection for providing us with
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