Ad in the Saturday Nov 29 Citizen:
JESUS IS GOD
No matter who or how many will deny Him
"They will call him Immanuel ~ which means,
"God with us." (Mat 1:23)
[placed by three Lutheran churches in Ottawa.]
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>From: Tony Copple[SMTP:aj624@freenet.carleton.ca]
>To: brian.wilkie@sympatico.ca
>Subject: http://www.igs.net/~tonyc/mod12.html
>Brian: I have put your open letter right up with the newspaper
>articles list on my moderator site. Hope that's OK with you.
>- Tony
From: brian.wilkie@sympatico.ca (Brian Wilkie)
To: aj624@freenet.carleton.ca ("'Tony Copple'")
Very happy to have you do that...
I am eager that many lay people should take official action
against the moderator. Congregations must insist that their
ministers take a stand too.
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From: Carole Burton[SMTP:cburton@nf.sympatico.ca]
Sent: November 27, 1997 4:17 PM
To: Copple, Tony
Carole Burton wrote:
Thanks for the info re. the mirror site- I'm fairly new at this, and
don't know what that means, but I'll find out!
Last night I read your `Ladder' - it is EXCELLENT! Also your piece
re. 'Creation'. I was so impressed that I e-mailed a friend from univ.
days whose husband is chair of the Physics Dept. at Univ. of Western
Ont. The item by Fr.Spitzer is unusually good too.
The e-mail from (Rev) Don Anderson re. how Marion Best got her 5%, is
VERY interesting (i.e. the number of UC members who would disagree
with the Moderator's views of Jesus.) think we should use that widely!
Marion will get a BIG surprise at how many more UC people disagree
with Phipps, as this thing snowballs more and more.
With the Internet, a few at the top can no longer do what they like
and keep the majority of the people in the dark as to what is going
on. Much of the "success" of their agenda used to depend on that.
The executives of both Districts in Nfld. have agreed to disassociate
themselves from the Moderator's comments. (Nfld. UC has two Districts
in place of any Presbyteries.)
Also, the 16 of 31 Ottawa area UC ministers who were willing to speak
out for Jesus, amazed me. Remarkable to get that many in this crazy
church where the COWARDICE of our ministers has been a major factor in
the way the ultra-liberal steamroller swept across our church- (very
similar to Nazi Germany eh).
Of course, the 12 who wouldn't express an opinion, clearly expressed
it anyhow, by their silence when one who is supposed to be their Lord
was put down so much by the head of a church which was founded on Him.
By the way, Brian Wilkie told me of an incident at the Parkdale UC
breakfast meeting with the Moderator, which I haven't heard mentioned
in discussion of that event- He said for a time no-one seemed to be
able to pin down the Moderator re. his views on Jesus- he was
skillfully side-stepping things- until a woman from Dominion-Chalmers
got up and read from her Bible Colossians 1:19 "In him (Jesus) all
the fullness of God dwells." She asked Bill Phipps point blank, "Do
you believe that?"
He replied, "No, I guess I would have to say I don't." That woman cut
through a lot of smooth talk!
(She might have also read Colossians 2:9, also a powerful scripture
re. Jesus- "in whom the whole fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily."
The foolishness of the Incarnation, and of the Trinity- ridiculous but true.
Bill Phipps believes Jesus reveals as much of the nature of God as
can be seen in a human being. How does Jesus compare to Mother
Theresa? She revealed a great deal of God. But would we worship her?
I for one say to Jesus with Thomas, "My Lord and my God!"
As someone said re. the situation in Eastern Europe re. communism, a
minority can only control a majority for so long, without the CONSENT
of that majority. If CONGREGATIONS all across the church will voice
their opposition to Phipps' statements, then not even GC executive
will be able to continue to control this church.
In Christ Jesus,
Carole
Clarke's Beach, NF
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From: mfearnall@sonetis.com ("Mark & Lorraine Fearnall")
To: aj624@freenet.carleton.ca
Subject: Re: Updates.
Date: Wed, 26 Nov
Hi Tony,
>Mark, I didn't spot the 20 articles in Tuesday's paper and
>I've thrown it out.
>I'd love to see it. I will re search the Citizen; what was the
>exact title of the article? Was Lorraine thinking of
>transcribing it?
>- Tony
The exact title was "What the United Church believes"
The article contained one paragraph and the rest was the 20
articles of faith. Here is the one paragraph...
"After weeks of controversy, the United Church yesterday
affirmed its approval of moderator Rev. Bill Phipps and the
traditional articles of faith. The executive said church
members should recognize and celebrate the diversity of
interpretations of this and other documents of faith."
Then came the 20 articles of faith.
Mark.
[For an alternative set of aticles more in line with the thinking
of our current GC, click "Zingers" at the bottom of the Moderator
Page, and then click on the "Laughter is the best theology" link
- Tony]
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From: mancette@freenet.carleton.ca (Jeanne-Mance Bavington)
To: aj624@freenet.carleton.ca
Subject: Re: The debate over the UC moderator
Date: Mon, 01 Dec
I have not been following these news....
but I will visit the sites and read more about
his comments and will get back to you as soon
as possible...
I have found that the Church.../Churches in general
are making some kind of modern changes and
that Jesus in his teaching does not want
Who do they thinks they are to bring about changes
to Jesus's Church???
I have found my views, old as they may be,
are being challenged all around me and was
unable to rebuf... but you and the e-mail and the web
may gives us an outlet and I appreciate that!!!
and will have to do my bit... here!!!
Thank you for your concerns!
--
Jeanne-Mance Bavington...
>>> J'aime qu'on m'aime
comme j'aime, quand j'aime ! <<<<<
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From: cburton@nf.sympatico.ca (Carole Burton)
To: aj624@freenet.carleton.ca
Subject: (no subject)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec
Tony-
Re. your note to "all of us" (what DOES one call this network
which has emerged??) on Nov 28- you said Phipps is not REALLY
the problem- it is GC and the theological, colleges. So true-
Phipps TOLD GC what he believed about Jesus (GC News, available
during GC on the UC website- guess you got it also) - "..a
window..one of the most profound windows we have".. and they
didn't care - he went in by a wide majority.
The theol. colleges have well prepared this church for a Phipps.
They trained our clergy, who taught this stuff to the people.
(The earlier generation of clergy are also to blame- they did
not teach THESE things, but nor did they did feed the flock of
God- they did not bring their people into Bible study groups etc,
to TEACH them Christian truth- or very few did- (and often if
they held a study group, it was from a viewpoint of "historical
criticism" etc.)
Re. this "emerging network"- it surely is the Lord God who is
leading us in this! And he will USE it to his glory! **Brian
Wilkie spoke of how God used the invention of the PRINTING PRESS
to spread the Reformation truths- and he likened it to what is
happening with us now!
I think he is RIGHT ON in this.
In Christ Jesus, who is Lord of all-
Carole B.
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From: aj624@freenet.carleton.ca (Tony Copple)
To: bphipps@uccan.org
Subject: http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~aj624/gcucman.html
Date: Sat, 29 Nov
Rev Phipps:
The discussion triggered by your public remarks is gaining
momentum on the internet. To keep up with this, you should visit
http://www.igs.net/~tonyc/mod.html This will also link you
to other web sites on the subject of concern. You will also
have up to date access to the comments of individuals across
the country.
No longer is this addressed just to you. General Council has
now shown its true colours, and many don't like the hue.
Tony Copple, Kanata, Canada Tel 613-591-3903, Fax 613-591-1509