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alt.support.schizophrenia Frequently Asked Questions.
Version: release 3.3 beta
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Maintainer and Co-Author: Peter Timusk
14/7/98 Updated to 1.1
20/7/98 Updated to 1.2
16/12/98 Updated to 2.0
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26/07/99 Updated to 3.0
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1/12/2001 Updated to 3.1.
22/06/2002 Updated to 3.2 beta (new Schizophrenia Anonymous
link, dejanews links retired Google links added, more about
22/08/2003 Updated to 3.3 beta (Section 1.0, changed Section 2.0
to Netiquette and Usenet Privacy, and reformatted the
Galig Dulin (Books)
Linda (Oz Info)
Peter Timusk (Canada info, Sections on positive and negative
symptoms and side effects, Web Site and FAQ Maintainer.)
Bill (Some USA info, previous FAQ Maintainer)
Stuart J. Shillinglaw (Updated the What is Schizophrenia?
section, created the Netiquette and Usenet Privacy section, and
1.0 What is schizophrenia?
1.1 I've just been
diagnosed with schizophrenia and I'm a little freaked out. What
should I do?
1.2 What are the Symptoms of
1.2.1 Positive Symptoms
1.2.2 Negative Symptoms
1.2.3 Cognitive Symptoms
1.2.4 Mood Symptoms
1.3 What treatments are
available for Schizophrenia?
1.3.3 Psycho Education
1.3.4 Empowerment and Recovery
1.4 How can a person with
1.4.1 Side Effects
1.4.2 Weight Gain
1.4.3 Sleeping more
1.5 Are there
Alternative Treatments for Schizophrenia available?
1.5.1 Extra non-prescription
1.6 What Information
Resources are available?
1.6.1 Medication Resources
1.6.2 Resources by Location
220.127.116.11 In the United Kingdom
18.104.22.168 In the United States
22.214.171.124 In Canada
126.96.36.199 In Australia
2.0 Netiquette and Usenet
2.1.1 Usenet FAQ
2.1.2 How to Post
2.1.4 X-No-Archive Policy
2.1.5 Are there guidelines
on what can be posted?
2.1.6 Spoiler Guidelines and
188.8.131.52 Spoiler Guidelines
2.1.7 Content of Private
2.1.8 Right to Anonymity
2.2 Usenet Privacy
2.2.2 Delete from Google
alt.support.schizophrenia is not moderated
2.2.4 Newsreaders with
2.2.5 Disguising E-mail
2.2.6 How to post
184.108.40.206 Using an Anonymous
220.127.116.11 Creating a Nym
2.2.7 Can I stop my posting
from being available on Google?
3.0 Commonly held
beliefs about schizophrenia
4.0 Books, Movies Etc with a
theme relevant to schizophrenia.
5.0 The ASS semi-official web
5.1 The ASS semi-official
This FAQ aims to serve two primary purposes.
i) To point people at resources connected with the
In this respect, the document should not be considered
authoritative. It is simply a list of the resources the residents
of the newsgroup have come across which have been found helpful.
Further contributions are welcomed and greatly in need
particularly for the USA treatment sections.
The relevant sections for readers whom are simply looking for
these pointers are prefixed with 1.X. All information is provided
on a best efforts basis.
ii) To serve as an introduction to the alt.support.schizophrenia
In this respect, the document reflects the voiced opinions of
those whom frequent the newsgroup. Your attention is drawn in
particular to those sections prefixed 2.1.
These sections relate to the RULES OF THE ROAD for the
newsgroup. Some of the information in the later parts of each
section is a little technical.
The first paragraph of each section details the RULE. It is
*not* optional and can result in problems for others if you do
not adhere to the RULE.
You need not concern yourself with the technical information in
the later paragraphs of each section if you are not interested.
They reflect the WHY for the first paragraph.
- 1.0 What is Schizophrenia?
Schizophrenia is currently thought to be a brain disease or neuro
biological disorder (NBD) characterised by delusions,
hallucinations and disorganised thought processes. The term
"disorder" should be noted. There is heated debate on the
newsgroup and elsewhere about the nature of that disorder.
In the recent past, it has been considered a resulting problem
from the psychosocial development of the individual during early
childhood and adolescence. This is not currently held to be true
by the mainstream of the psychiatric progression in Europe, North
America, or Australia.
What it is *not* is the "split-personality" cliché
popular in western culture.
There are many currently held theories on what *exactly*
schizophrenia is caused by and what it is but currently the jury
is still out.
- 1.1 I have just been
diagnosed with Schizophrenia and I am a little freaked out, what
should I do?
1. Don't Panic.
2. Your best course of action at this point is probably to
listen to your therapist. If he or she prescribes you medication,
it would be wise at this stage to take the medication as
prescribed and continue to do so until you are stable enough to
make your own decisions regarding this touchy issue.
3. Don't give up. There have been reported cases in which
persons diagnosed with schizophrenia have recovered over time.
Regardless, God loves you no matter what you may think right now.
Courage is not necessarily bravado; sometimes it is a
- 1.2 What are the Symptoms of
The Symptoms of Schizophrenia include Positive, Negative,
Cognitive, and Mood Symptoms.
Here's a few added features, hearing voices that can't be
understood to be from ones own mind, strange postures of limbs,
fears and anxieties that seem out of proportion, wild thinking,
and even depression.
Ask or just browse the newsgroup. People usually know a positive
symptom when they post so these can be clearly identified in
posts. Best advice is to read the newsgroup, psychology
textbooks, the self-help books, and ask all the professionals you
can afford to ask.
Most likely could be loss of motivation, which can be caused by
lack of reward and frustrating situations, lack of hygiene, lack
of coherent speech, missing emotional response. Many more, and
again surf the newsgroup a bit to learn about negative symptoms
people will usually identify their symptoms as such.
A person with Schizophrenia will have disturbed thought processes
having an effect on memory, concentration, decision-making, and
new learning. The person with schizophrenia may present
themselves as incoherent or having illogical reasoning.
- 1.2.4 Mood
He or she may experience depression, have a lack of insight, live
in demoralization, and may question the value of their
- 1.3 What treatments are
available for Schizophrenia?
Treatments for Schizophrenia include Medication, Rehabilitation,
Psycho Education, and Empowerment and Recovery Training
The older Typical Antipsychotics have stopped being prescribed in
favour of the newer Atypical Antipsychotics including:
Risperidone (Risperdal), Olanzapine (Zyprexa), Clozapine
(Clozaril), Quetiapine (Seroquel), and other newer
- 1.3.2 Psychosocial
This is where the support workers are involved. Proctors,
Community Mental Health Workers, and Residential Care Workers
help persons with schizophrenia relearn social and personal
Educating family and friends reinforces the importance of
minimising the impact of a potential relapse.
- 1.3.4 Empowerment and Recovery
The mental health consumer learns skills that help them live with
their mental illness and recover a quality of life.
How can a person with Schizophrenia cope?
There are solutions! One is to aid focusing on the here and now
with medication, or coaching therapy. Many practical solutions
are simple folklore or rather medical folklore solutions. In
other words, these solutions do not work for everyone. A healthy
lifestyle is recommended for all.
On the newsgroup, one reads problems or individual solutions.
Symptoms listed, in the DSM a psychiatric area long list of
complains. Not everyone labelled Schizophrenic will have the same
set of symptoms. Many problems that are experienced can be
re-learned and understood by the sufferer such as cleaning
clothes or paying bills. Good food and extra vitamins when
affordable help a great deal.
Drug therapy promises a lot here but actually good psychotherapy
on top of drug therapy is probably the best way to over come
apathy and depression. Coaching in life skills such as, cleaning
clothes, grooming, sobriety, and responsible drinking can help a
lot, with reducing negative symptoms.
- 1.4.1 Side
If you experience any side effects, or are unsure of how you are
doing coping with medications, let your team of Health
Professionals know. Writing things down in a Journal is very
- 1.4.2 Weight
If you want to use the Body Mass Index formula:
Body Mass Index (BMI)
Weight in Kilograms (WT)
Height in Meters (HT)
A BMI of 18.7 is acceptable for women, 20 for men. Anything over
25, the risk of health problems increases. Over 27.3 for Women
and 27.8 for Men is considered overweight. This formula does not
take into count getting very muscular. I think if you are in the
18.7 to 25 BMI range, you should not worry about your weight too
The Waist-to-Hip Ratio:
Waist-to-Hip Ratio (WHR)
A result of less than 0.8 for Women and less than 0.95 for Men
is lowest risk.
Note: The formulas are found in the Book The Complete Book of
Butt and Legs by Kurt, Mike, and Brett Brungardt.
- 1.4.3 Sleeping
The anti-psychotic drugs act as tranquilizers. Many find problems
waking up in the morning. One solution is to schedule
appointments for afternoons. Often problems with caffeine will
prevent getting to sleep on time. Quiet evenings are best and
allow for early mornings. Of course, early morning awakening
happen too with depression. Who doesn't get some depression with
having a major illness?
- 1.5 Are there
Alternative Treatments for Schizophrenia available?
The author has only heard of Chinese medical solutions to
schizophrenia in the alternative health category. I have not
heard any tales of success or failure with this treatment.
- 1.5.1 Extra non-prescription
The addition of fish oils found in salmon, tuna and mackerel
fishes namely omega-3 fatty acids as been tried by many people.
As well, the use of vitamins C and Niacin by this author at 3 g
per day seems to help.
- 1.5.2 Exercise
Getting enough rest and exercising regularly are always helpful.
Especially considering the depression that comes with any major
illness exercise and exercise therapy can be a great help in
keeping the spirits up.
- 1.6 What Information
Resources are available?
There is Medication Resources and Resources by Location out
- 1.6.1 Medication Resources
I suggest doing an Internet search using the Name of the Drug of
interested. Societies and Associations are also good
- 1.6.2 Resources by Location
The following is a list of resources by Location.
- 18.104.22.168 In the United Kingdom
Treatment is available under the NHS. Register with a GP and
arrange to have a referral to a Mental Health unit appropriate to
Your local NHS trust will have information available on support
groups and activities for mental health service clients available
upon request In addition; there are several mental health and
schizophrenia specific organisations in the UK. Check a local
telephone directory for offices and helpline numbers appropriate
to where you live.
MIND - National Mental Health Charity For careers and
URL: http://www.mind.org.uk/ Tel (lo call) 0345 660 163
SCHIZOPHRENIA FELLOWSHIP - Schizophrenia Specific Society with
Scottish, English and Irish regional societies
SANE - A more "patient centric" Mental Health Charity
The Samaritans - Not mental health specific but a voice in the
night when all else fails.
- 22.214.171.124 In the United States
One group in the US is based on the anonymous self-help model
such as Alcoholics Anonymous or Overeaters Anonymous. Known as
Schizophrenics Anonymous information about this group can be
found at this web site http://www.mha-mi.org/sa/. Schizophrenics
Anonymous uses a six-step model to bring hope and healing to its
In the US, there is an organization, NAMI (National Alliance for
the Mentally Ill), which might be able to give you personal
support & advice. Although NAMI also has mental patients as
members, it is mainly a volunteer organization of close relatives
of patients with serious mental illnesses like schizophrenia or
bipolar disorder. NAMI is made up of local chapters & state
organizations & a national organization. If you want to
contact NAMI, the best approach is to phone the national
organization at 1-800-950-NAMI (1-800-950-6264) & ask them to
refer you to your nearest local chapter or to some experienced
member near you.
If you are having problems with your relative, it is likely that
some NAMI member has already experienced the same problem &
can tell you what worked & what did not. NAMI might also give
you a sense that you are not alone with your problem. As far as I
know, there is no charge for this help, although if you decide to
become a member of NAMI, there are membership dues.
NAMI also distributes informative pamphlets, conducts regular
classes & meetings, & does political lobbying for
legislation to help the mentally ill.
If you are a regular reader of alt.support.schizophrenia, you
might have noticed that there is controversy here about NAMI
& its policies & its influential members. I think the
difference of opinion results mainly from the difference in
viewpoint between a parent watching a son or daughter seeming to
deteriorate mentally and the patient himself. They are likely to
have quite different attitudes toward psychiatric treatments.
Anyone who considers joining NAMI will have to make a decision
about this difference. www.nami.org
- 126.96.36.199 In Canada
Help is available from Provincial Health Plans. Psychiatrists
exist in abundance in the populated south parts of Canada. More
Northern and other isolated areas have difficulties. The Canadian
Mental Health Association has further information for families or
communities. There is an organisation called the Schizophrenia
Society of Canada formed by parents of sufferers, which
fundraises for research and can provide information.
Government, or private insurance arrange drug plans, as well,
support therapy can be received from a good psychiatric hospital,
a psychologist, a Clubhouse, or by private means.
Other supports come from traditional sources like the YMCA/YWCA,
the Salvation Army, local food banks, and an ever-growing network
of patients groups that involved in the last few decades using
everything from RAP groups and arts and crafts, to friendship and
education, to networking and advocacy.
- 188.8.131.52 In
In the White Pages for each area, there is a page with numbers
for the Community Mental Health Teams. There are Community Mental
Health Teams in all Regional Centres. This is provided by the
state and is free.
To see a psychiatrist you need a referral from a GP. Only
Medicare covers a certain amount of what a psychiatrist charges
unless you have a psychiatrist who bulk bills Medicare. You
cannot claim the difference through private health insurance
unless the psychiatrist is treating you as an in-patient in
Medicare covers stays in Public Hospitals; however, you cannot
choose your psychiatrist unless you are a private patient.
Private insurance will cover some private psychiatric costs
though, as usual, you should contact your insurer for
Assn of Relatives and Friends of the Mentally Ill (24hr info and
referral line 1800 655 198)
Mental Health Info Service
(NSW) Sydney (02)9816-5688
Country FREECALL 1800 674 200
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- 2.0 Netiquette and Usenet
What is alt.support.schizophrenia all about then?
alt.support.schizophrenia (a.s.s) is a USENET newsgroup for the
support of those diagnosed with schizophrenia, schizoaffective
disorder, their family, friends, caregivers, and others with an
interest in schizophrenia.
If you are unsure about USENET Newsgroups, you can find out more
about them at URL:
a.s.s. is a rather unusual newsgroup to say the least. At times,
this Newsgroup can seem very hostile to those whom are of a quiet
disposition. In the recent past, there have been serious flames
between certain Individuals on the newsgroup. Generally, most
people are simply here to help each other out, chat, discuss life
as seen by schizophrenia sufferers, their family, loved one, and
friends, or discuss treatments for the illness and share our
experiences of this debilitating illness. In general, if you post
an opinion, theory, or question be prepared to have some
responses that do not agree with you. It may appear intimidating
but a great deal of traffic actually goes on outside the group in
e-mail, leading the casual browser to feel ignored or picked
Do not let the surface appearance fool you. Ask your question
and you may well find that the many "lurkers" out there start to
talk to you by e-mail. Keep in mind that a large proportion of
those reading the group suffer from a NBD.
The different people whom contribute to this Newsgroup hold many
“bizarre” opinions. While it is generally acceptable
to hold any opinion on any subject, many of the inhabitants frown
upon forcing an opinion on others. Expect that with any voice of
opinion, readers and contributors may hold the alternative
opinion. The keyword here is variety. It would appear that the
opinions and beliefs of people with Schizophrenia are varied and
multi faceted :)
Do not *ever* lose your sense of humour.
- 2.1 Netiquette
There are general beliefs about Netiquette on the USENET and in
private e-mail. Most of these are simple good manners but some
are specifically important to users of the ASS news group.
- 2.1.1 Usenet FAQ
- 2.1.2 How to Post
Great! Another sucker . . . ooops fellow poster :)
Well you just write what you want to say and send it to
If you are new to Usenet a guide is available at URL:
- 2.1.3 Is
In follow up to posts which contain the line:
You MUST include this line as the first line of your follow up
posting. You should do this even if your mailer supports the
Even where you do not quote a single line of the original post
you must put this line in your reply to ensure that subsequent
replies to YOUR post are aware that the initiator of the thread
did not want anything they said archived on USENET archives like
Google or in the past dejanews.
Should you feel that your posting has literary merit that merits
archiving for posterity, you should create a new thread. (Use the
New Posting Option on most newsreaders.) Conversely, if you are
replying to a post without the No-Archive directive you should
create a new thread or be prepared to have someone inadvertently
mention something that you said. If everyone follows the rules,
we should have threading where everyone’s requests are
As an aside, the author does not think that people concerned
about privacy issues should be using this directive for privacy
issues. All of the archive owners will sell archives that do not
reflect the no-archive requests. If you need anonymity then BE
ANONYMOUS. See section How to post Anonymously.
- 2.1.5 Are there guidelines on
what can be posted?
Anything related to schizophrenia, the treatment of, the
experience of, theories on causes of, belief systems of
schizophrenics, religious beliefs of schizophrenics. You get the
picture. If it is remotely related it is probably acceptable.
However, many of the inhabitants frown upon cross posting which
generally just generates posts that have nothing to do with
- 2.1.6 Spoiler Guidelines and
There are things you can do to make everyone's Usenet experience
- 184.108.40.206 Spoiler Guidelines
If the first line of any post is a possible trigger for a
sufferer, it should have the subject matter clearly labelled. If
you use the X-No-Archive setting, this spoiler can go to line
Follow-ups to Spoiler posts should retain the spoiler subject
and the white space even where they do not directly talk about
the spoiler subject directly.
Where the post might cause distress to someone whom is
borderline psychotic, 26 blank lines to allow persons should
follow the subject spoiler, using a newsreader that does not
allow them to view a subject only, to skip past the postings that
they believe might be detrimental to them.
- 220.127.116.11 Contents Labelling
It is suggested that you label the Subject header of the
*CHRISTIAN* *MUSLIM* *DEMON* *ALTERNATIVE HEALTH* *RANT*
*POLITICAL* *CAREGIVER HELP* *SUFFERER HELP* ... you get the
If you cannot summarise in one or two words the content of your
post then it would probably be better spread across a couple of
posts. Anything contentious should be labelled as what it
- 2.1.7 Content of Private
Anything said in private E-Mail should be kept private. Private
e-mail does not confer the right to enter the said information
into the public domain. (Public posting) Permission to quote a
private e-mail should *ALWAYS* be sought before posting the words
of someone else.
Right to Anonymity
Where you have access to the identity of a poster whom is using a
pseudo nom or anonymous Remailer, please respect that
person’s right to privacy. Use their pseudo nom in all
public domain activities and reserve their identity for private
- 2.2 Usenet
This Section is an attempt to let you know what measures are
available to protect your privacy if you see fit.
X-No-Archive can be a useful tool, but it generally is not
- 2.2.2 Delete from Google
Yes, you can delete your own articles from the Google Archive.
Read the following help article paying particular attention to
alt.support.schizophrenia is not moderated
The fact that alt.support.schizophrenia is not moderated, for
some, is what makes it good. However, there are always new
moderated forums starting up all the time and you can always try
them out when the sometimes-extreme nature of this Newsgroup gets
to you. You may find someone else that has used
- 2.2.4 Newsreaders with
One privacy method is to use the Blocking or Scoring feature of
your Newsreader. Xnews a Newsreader for Windows has a very good
customisable score file the SLRN Newsreader for UNIX based
Operating Systems is comparable.
- 2.2.5 Disguising E-mail
In an attempt to avoid Spam generated by programs that search for
e-mail addresses, you can set up your e-mail account so it
*masks* your identity. This method is just experimental.
email@example.com used with the following
message in the signature of the Post.
Remove “nospam.” to get e-mail address.
- 2.2.6 How to post
By nature, the Usenet is a public place suited for sharing
information with people across great distances. An individual may
have reasons to hide their real identity. The following methods
are not perfect for concealing a person’s identity and
there may be added issues with each newsreader and internet
Here is a list of Links about some of the resources out there,
leaving out some messy ones.
- 18.104.22.168 Using an Anonymous
An Anonymous Remailer will go through the process of removing the
headers of an e-mail sent to it and send it to a destination
anonymously. One Remailer that will post to a Newsgroup at this
time is firstname.lastname@example.org, but this is not the
place to keep an up-to-date list. The following is a short
description of the formatting process.
Subject: Enter Subject here.
References: <Enter Reference here or remove.>
<Enter Body Text Here>
-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: PGP 8.0.2 - not licensed for commercial use:
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
To find out more about PGP and Encryption try the Newsgroup
- 22.214.171.124 Creating
Creating a Nym makes it possible to receive e-mail from a
pseudonymous ID on a Server. The process for creating a Nym is
beyond the scope of this FAQ. A Newsgroup you could check out to
find out more on this subject, Anonymous Remailers, and PGP is
- 2.2.7 Can I stop my posting from
being available on Google?
The simple answer is YES. Just put the following line as the
first line of the body of your post:
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- 3.0 Commonly held
misconceptions about schizophrenia.
There are commonly held misconceptions about Schizophrenia
- 3.1 Schizophrenia
Have multiple distinct personalities: This is a commonly held
misconception however, people suffering from that debilitating
illness are now labelled DID. It is often used in literature
ranging wrong. From non-fiction to journalism. Speak out when
this happens. Let people know they are.
- 3.2 Schizophrenia
sufferers are the best lovers.
It's TRUE I tell you! Loving between two people with
schizophrenia is sometimes best. In modern medicine there is
thought to be no difference sexually between those with
schizophrenia and those without. Mind you, those with active
psychosis may not be approachable for sexual relations. Often men
and women will have been through various types of abuse as well
as having schizophrenia and may not like to be touched. We all
have a right to be loved and yes even reproduce if we choose.
This a human right and not as debatable as the civil liberties
involved around treatment. Eugenics is an old school theory( In
fact supported by fascists in most cases looking for the ideal
race) and should be guarded against. If in doubt, please ask a
doctor or nurse for some sexual health information. Remember no
one is perfect and we are learning all the time.
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- 4.0 Books Movies Etc With a
For reviews, ask on the group :)
- 4.0.1 Books
Title: The Quiet Room: A Journey Out of the Torment of Madness
Author: Lori Schiller and Amanda Bennett ISBN 0-446-67133-9
Title: When the Music's Over: My Journey Into
Author: Ross David Burke
Editors: Dr. Richard Gates and Robin Hammond
Title: The Eden Express
Author: Mark Vonnegut
ISBN: ASIN: 0440202051
Title: Surviving Schizophrenia
Author: E. Fuller Torrey
Title: The Reality of Schizophrenia
Author: Gwen Howe
ISBN: unknown [anyone else know?]
Title: Coping with Schizophrenia
Author: Jacqueline M Atkinson Ph.D.,
ISBN: ASIN: 0722519907
Title: Abnormal Psychology
Author: Ronald J. Comer
Author: (Not Appropriate) Diagnostic manual for psychiatric
Title: Coping With Voices: Self Help Strategies for People who
Voices that are Distressing
author: Patricia E. Deegan, Ph.D.
illustrator: Carolyn Affa
distributed by (no ISBN apparently)
The National Empowerment Center
20 Ballard Road
Lawrence, MA 01843 U.S.A.
Title: Schizophrenia - A Fresh Approach
Author: Gwen Howe
Publisher David and Charles - 1986
Title: Working With Schizophrenia
Author: Gwen Howe
Publisher Jessica Kingsley - 1995
- 4.0.2 MOVIES
Title: One Flew Over the Cuckcoo's Nest
Review: This film brought the terrible conditions of mental
hospitals to the public forum. Terrible both in physical
condition largely due to tobacco use and emotionally due to the
questionable sanity of the staff these wards are no better now
than then when, depicted in this movie. The reviewer still wears
a black wool sailor's hat in honour of this film.
Title: Angel Baby.
One line review: <submissions eagerly awaited> Sounds
depressing and stereotypical though one gathers it's all done in
the best possible taste.
Titled: A Beautiful Mind
Review: Ask on-line it was hotly debated on the newsgroup. THE
FAQ maintainer considers it a true tear jerker. It is about math
and genius but is a hollywood treatment showing delusions as
- 5.0 The site is currently
The webmaster is Peter Timusk and available at
Contributions of formatted HTML or txt files that are applicable
to the content of the site should be sent to Peter and also to
the group. As the site is intended to reflect the group, it is
simple good manners to allow others to rebut any opinions that
are placed on the site. The rule of thumb is "Who cares
- 5.1 The ASS semi-official
Some of the posters and lurkers have been gathering virtually at
talkcity.com, in the room called schizophrenia. We meet on
Saturday's a 2 PM Mountain Time. There have been some suggestions
of meeting to chat at other times. Times of chats are also posted
to the newsgroup. This is either a web chat or an IRC chat using
the talkcity server.
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