WEINTRAUB FAMILY MESSAGE PAGE
LAST UPDATE June 23, 2006
No. of messages: 33
Message #1
Date: Thu May 6 23:15:10 1999
From: ak102@freenet.carleton.ca (Stanley Winthrop)
Subject: RE:Weintraub
To: Gelberb@aol.com
Reply-To: ak102@freenet.carleton.ca
Dear Terry:
I have been back in Canada some two weeks now. I have not forgotten my
promise to try to find more info about family names. I have had one letter
translated that has provided some names. You will recall that my father,
Joseph Weintraub (born 1898 in Zolochev) had three sisters, all older than
he. The letter was from one of his sisters. It was dated 8/17/1939 and
was written from Lwow. It was signed "Freda". Unfortunately the envelope
was missing and there was no last name. Freda could have been ten years
older than my father which meant she was born arround 1888. She mentions
the first names of her immediate family members. She refers to her husband
Solo (Saul) and her two children, Henrika and Mark. Mark was six at the
time which means he was born in 1933. Henrika was named after her
grandmother whose name was Helena. In her letter she refers to two other
people, Andi and Regina. They might have been her other two siblings. She
also mention her husband ,Saul, is working at his old profession in the
same store. Thats about all of the important content of the letter that
might be useful in making connections. I will be going through the other
letters and could find some more names that could be useful. I will be in
touch. Stan
Message #2
Date: Tue Jun 15 02:00:15 1999
From: tgelber@yahoo.com (terry Gelber)
Subject: weintraub
To: ak102@freenet.carleton.ca
Dear Stanley,
Thank you for your letter. My new email is tgelber@yahoo.com
We cancelled AOL because their billing just did not agree with my
wife's credit card. So I did not get your prior email.
I now have my grandfather's ss-5 document that lists him as from
Zloczow and his Brother Chaimwolf "Willy" as from tarnopol/zloczow.
Willy's son George just got remarried and his short autobiography for
the wedding says George was born in Cuba in 1942 and came over in '56.
A Podiatrist now.
Grandpa Eddie had three older sisters. coincidentally his mom is on the
SS-5 as "Freda." My mom Frieda spells it Frieda herself now.
I do not recognize the names in your email/letter but grandma freda
married twice we know of.
How many more letters do you have for translation?
Who are you named for?
Write soon. Terry Gelber
Message #3
Date: Thu Oct 29 01:25:06 1998
From: JWeintraub@Fullerton.edu ("Joel Weintraub")
Subject: Weintraubs
To: ak102@freenet.carleton.ca
I check JewishGen irregularly for some of my
family surnames.... saw your listing for today.
I am in correspondence with 3 other
researchers.... all with Weintraub roots in
western Ukraine. Your town is to the northwest
of Ternopol. One person has relatives in Kozlov
(about 20+ miles southeast of your town), I have
relatives in Bogotkovtsy and Podgoytsy (about
35+ miles to the south of you), while the other
two researchers are to the east of Ternopol.
Looks like there was a heavy concentration of
Weintraubs in that area. I wonder if
"winegrape" names signify that it was a wine
growing area.....
We are working slowly backwards in time..... do
you have relatives to the south of your town?
Joel Weintraub
JWeintraub@Fullerton.edu
Dana Point, CA
Message #4
Date: Mon Oct 19 11:44:05 1998
From: ronnie@ofld.com (ofld)
Subject: weintraub family
To: AK102@freenet.carleton.ca
"Dear Stanley,"
" I saw your notice in Jewishgen January 27,1997. You mention that
you hav" family in Zolochev by the name of Weintraub. I'm not sure if
our family histories have anything in common. This is my story.
"Solomon(Shalom) Katz was born in Zolochev,Galicia in 1856 to parents"
Garshon and Laya. I think he had two brothers and one sister.
Solomon married Fany (Faigie) Weintrope(Weintraub) around 1878-79. They
had seven children together before she died. I think that she was born
around 1860 and died around 1890. The children that they had together were:
"Annie, Abraham (my grandfather), Isaac, Moses, Eva, Aaron & Jacob(twins)."
Solomon remarried around 1893-4 and had seven more children with the next
"wife. They came to Toronto,Canada with the first set of children and two"
from the second set in 1898. They came through New York.On the way
"over,Solomon and family changed their name from Katz to Zener(Zenner).The"
family remains mainly in this city today.
We have never had any information on this side of the family. I'm not sure
if this is any help to you. Please let me know if we have something in
common in our family histories. Thank you.
Gail Faust
Message #5
From: Rose Hoffman[SMTP:ARose10@webtv.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 3:34 PM
To: Stanley Winthrop
Subject: Re: Searching WEINTRAUBS from Zolochev
Max and Rosa Weintraub Nee Wolf are from Ukraine now--Zhitomir and
Lviv--b in 1863 and 1869--came in 1891--got m in 1890--where I do not
know--Settled in Menominee,Michigan--think that they might have come
through St. Clair River(Detroit R. it is commonly known as!) They are my
gps. I would like to find their siblings-d of m and the names of their
parents.
The second Weintraub family is--Joseph and Sarah(Slagger) Weintraub of
Sokolow,Poland. He was born in 1873.They had a daugter,Gertrude, b 1901.
I know that they came to the United States because I have a copy of her
wedding certificate and her death certificate. They settled in Boston.
I would like to know their siblings date of arrival and what Joseph and
Sarah died of and where--where when they got married.
Some of names on their tree sound very familiar to me and I think that
they might be related to me.If you are related to me,sir, let me know:
It is interesting that you wrote to me that message for I was going to
set up a Weintraub line too if I could have enough Weintraubs to let me
know. Thank you for setting it up for me.
Rose Weintraub Hoffman
Mesa, Arizona
Message #6
From: Mel Wolfsont[SMTP:melwol@adnc.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 1:49 AM
To: Stanley Winthrop
Subject: Re: Searching WEINTRAUBS from Zolochev
I am seeking information about the Bomze/Bomser family, who were egg
merchants in "Zlotcheff", as my mother pronounced it. My father came from
the shtetl next to Zlochev called Bialykamien. Both parents never spoke
of the "old country",except one story of my father's father being murdered
by town hooligans who were jealous of his strength--he was the only one
in
the shtetl who could lift the huge stone in the village square...they clubbed
him to death!!
Congratulations on your page.
Mel Wolfsont
Message #7
From: gmw22@juno.com[SMTP:gmw22@juno.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 8:03 PM
To: ak102@freenet.carleton.ca
Subject: Re: Searching WEINTRAUBS from Zolochev
Are you related to Seymor Weintraub who I believe was a cousin with
members of the Shapira/Salzberg family from Zolochev?
J.Katz
Message #8
From: Chris & Elizabeth Jones[SMTP:jonescme@haidagwaii.net]
Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 3:44 PM
To: ak102@ncf.ca
Cc: ushua@hotmail.com
Subject: ties to Lodz
Shaloam,my english name is Seymour Weintraub,my Hebrew name is Ushua ben
Mushi.For the exception of my father everyone in our family went up in
smoke.Do you have any family ties that go back to Lodz?I live on the Queen
Charlotte Islands/Haida Gwaii.Truely Ushua
Message #9
From: Jerry Krassner[SMTP:krassner@erim-int.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 5:20 PM
To: ak102@ncf.ca
Subject: Weintraub/Winthrop
A quick note- my wife's ggf was William Weintraub. He had at least 2
brothers- Louis and Jacob. There may have been other siblings. They came
from Galicia (Podvalotshisk, or Tarnoruda-a small town within main
district of Skalat, SE of Lvov and Tarnapol; or Boslove), and settled in
Philadelphia. All were born around 1865-1875, and immigrated around
1902-1905 (roughly). I have an almost full family tree for all 3
brothers. Several of their children changed their name from Weintraub
toWinthrop. Is it possible there is a connection to your family?
Message #10
Date: Mon Aug 2 22:46:15 1999
From: RossIanW@aol.com
Subject: Guestbook
To: ak102@ncf.ca
Nice page. Looking for appropriate WEINTRAUB connections. None found. You
can find mine on the Family Tree of the Jewish People on www.jewishgen.org.
Good luck in your search.
Ross Weintraub
Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania, USA
rossianw@aol.com
Message #11
Date: Sun Sep 12 15:00:48 1999
From: ak102@freenet.carleton.ca (Stanley Winthrop)
To: leonard1@tesco.net
Subject: Re Family History
Dear Leonard,
Thank you for your prompt reply. My information is very sparse. My
father, Joseph Weintraub, was born in Zloczow (Zolochev) in 1898. His
family later moved to Lwow (Lemberg). His mother's name was Helena.
I don't know her maiden name. I don't know his father's first name. He
had three sisters, all older. Their names were Fredrika, Regina and
Andzia. They all married and had children. I don't know their family
names except for Andzia who I now suspect married Maurycy Schildkraut
from Tarnow. I know this from a letter I recently had translated which
was written by Andzia to Maurycy in 1918 and spoke of their forthcoming
marriage and living in Tarnow. My father married Eva Schildkraut
(coincidence- it must be a common name in that area) from Zloczow in 1924
and moved to Canada that year. All his relatives were lost in the
Holocaust as far as I can determine. My father and mother have been dead
for some time now. Unfortunately I failed to interview them about their
family roots when I had the opportunity. I have over 300 polish letter
writen by them and others between 1918 and 1938 which I am slowly getting
translated. One such letter told me about Maurycy Schildkraut frm Tarnow.
I would like some confirmation that the information is correct and the
names of children of their marriage if possible. My objective is of
course to determine if any of my relatives are still alive and excaped
the Holocaust. Andzia and Maurycy's children would be my first cousins.
>Dear Stanley, I believe I must be related to Maurycy Schildkraut as
I am sure I am related to all Tarnow Schildkrauts. I have much
information to the end of the 19th centrury but from then only my direct
relations. If you can send me a copy of your tree or a list of your
family I will incorporate it in my tree and send you the full list. Also
please let me have any other information, ie addresses, family history.
> >Best regards > >Leonard Schneider
>>Are you related to Maurycy Schildkraut who lived in Tarnow arround
1920 >>and married Andzia(Andi) Weintraub who was my Aunt?
>>Stanley Winthrop
Message No. 12
From: Adam Enav (Weintraub)- no e-mail address
15 David Marcus St.
Haifa 35703, Israel
Tel No: 04-8337716
March 20th 1999
To: Stanley Winthrop Subject: Your Letter
Dear Stanley,
.... It took some time for me to answer your letter.... .... with the
passing of years my memory is not what it used to be... How your father
was related to the Weintraub family, I have no idea, and whats more ,
I never asked my father. The whole Weintraub family lived in the
beginning in Zloczow, then later some of them moved to Lemberg (Lwow).
My father was Benjamin Marcus Weintraub. His parents were Avraham
(Abraham) and Frime Lea Weintraub. He had one brother,
Nuchim (Nachuam) and a few sisters. I remember only two-Berta and
Pepi (she died in Israel). Nuchim moved to Belgrade (Yugoslavia) and my
father after finishing law school in Lwow moved to Presemysl from where
he went to Israel in 1935. ........
with best regards Adam
Message No. 13
Date: Sun Sep 19 10:28:18 1999
From: ak102@freenet.carleton.ca (Stanley Winthrop)
Subject: Agid and Lviv
To: evaflor@kinneret.co.il
Dear Eva:
I saw your post in the JGFF. My father's family comes from Lviv
(Lwow, Lemberg). His name was Joseph Weintraub. He had three sisters:
Fredrika, Andzia and Regina. They all married. They were there in 1939
and it appears they were lost in the Holocaust. We recently found an old
polish letter from Fredrika (Freda, Fredriksia) which was signed
" Fredriksia Aged" or so it appeared.
Could this have been Fredriksia Agid? Is Agid and Aged close enough?
Are we related? Fredrika was my aunt. I never knew her married name
until now. Her husband's name was Saul or Solo. She had two children
-Henrika and Mark. Mark was born in 1933. Henrika was named after her
Grandmother, Helena Weintraub.
Is there a connection? Stan
Message No. 14
Date: Sun Sep 19 11:28:34 1999
From: gerfred@iname.com ("Gerson S. Schaffel")
Subject: Weintraub
To: ak102@ncf.ca
Dear Stanley,
The combination of Weintraub and Zolochev must have some significance
and relationship to my Mother's family. For the moment, I can tell you
briefly the reason for my opinion.
My Mother, Fannie Finkelman, was born in Zolochev and immigrated with
her father, Moshe, and siblings David, Sara, Bella, Molly and Freda in
1906 after the death of her mother in childbirth. The family moved to the
Pittsburgh area, primarily in McKeesport, PA, because, to the best of my
knowlege, there was some relationship to the Weintraub family there.
Two Weintraub brothers, Joseph and Jacob, married two sisters and both
left relatively large families, each with a Clara, Marie, George, and
others such as Ethel and Benjamin. I have no concrete facts but it is
my understanding that my Grandmother Finkelman was related to the
Weintraubs.
If this information shows any potential relationship, please let me know
and I will try to acquire more details.
Shalom -- Gerson Schaffel Gaithersburg, MD
Message #15
Date: Mon Oct 11 00:43:33 1999
From: larrymanross@hotmail.com ("Larry Manross")
Subject: Re: Weintraub Genealogy
To: ak102@freenet.carleton.ca
Hello fellow Weintraub researchers,
My wife and I have spent many years trying to follow the family tree back
into Russia/Ukraine. The furthest we can go back is to Simche (Samuel)
Weintraub born in 1858 in Aleksandreni, Ukraine, Russia. He married in
1877 in Bessarabia,to Peal Kosak born in 1859 Bendery Moldavia.
Their children included Moische, Sameul, Ludel, Golde, Toba, Fannette,
William. The children first children were born in Aleksandreni while the
later children were born in the US. We believe the date of immigration
was 1890 and the states of Illinois, Wisconsin,and New York were locations
of residence at points in time. At one point in time the name evolved to
Winthrop.
Questions:
1. Is it likely that we connect to your family tree? If so we would
gladly share our tree with you.
2. Are you familiar with the migration of the Weintraub clan through
history. Some of our research shows that a great number of Jews in the
Ukraine originally came from Europe. Do you have any evidence of this.
The name Weintraub relates to wine and grapes. Do you have any evidence
of movement from Spain or France?
Larry and Mary Manross
Scottsdale, Arizona
Message #16
Date: Sat Oct 16 17:39:46 1999
From: evaflor@kinneret.kinneret.co.il (Eva Floersheim)
Subject: Re: Agid and Lviv
To: ak102@freenet.carleton.ca
Oops -------
According to the prewar Lwow telephone catalogue there are both Aged and
Agid in the city:
S. Aged, sklep tytoniowy, Lazienna 6
Albert Agid skl. mat. elektr.,, Kazimierzowska 39
Anzelm Agid , Saphiehy 6
Bernhard Agid, L. Saphiehy 24
Ignacy Agid, Gro -----
Eva
Message #17
Date: Sun Oct 17 02:11:59 1999
From: evaflor@kinneret.kinneret.co.il (Eva Floersheim)
Subject: Re: S.Aged and Lazienna 6
To: ak102@freenet.carleton.ca
-----
Checking the 1935 telephone catalogue for Weintraub, this is what I found:
Gustaw Weintraub, dyr. Banku Dysk., 3 Maja 14
Juljusz Weintraub, Sw. Anny 7
Markus Weintraub, Zygmuntowska 21
No Lazienna 8. But these addresses are generally in that area.
Stanley Winthrop wrote:
> Thank you so much Eva. I have finally hit paydirt thanks to your info
from the prewar Lwow telephone catalog. The two clues are the Street name
and the initial S. Freda's husbands first name was Saul and her mother
lived at Lazienna 8. The evidence appears strong now that the family name
was Aged and that she lived next door to her mother or with her mother.
Can you confirm that a Weintraub lived at Lazienna 8 from the prewar Lwow
> telephone catalog or tell me how to do it.
I will now search for my cousin Mark Aged who would be 66 years old if he
> is still living today. Stan
Message #18
Date: Sun Oct 17 18:00:34 1999
From: evaflor@kinneret.kinneret.co.il (Eva Floersheim)
Subject: Re: Polish Telephone Catalogs
To: ak102@freenet.carleton.ca
Stanley Winthrop wrote:
> Dear Eva:
> Thank you for the info on Weintraubs from the Telephone catalog.
> I am curious about the use of telephone catalogs (Directories) in
> genealogical research. How did you gain access to the 1935 telephone
> catalog for Lwow?
The one from 1935 is at Yad Vashem - unavailable now when the archives and
library at Yad Vashem are closed. Also the copy was so fragile, I am not
sure
it will be open for general use any more.There is a copy of the 1932 catalogue
at
the Central Archives for the History of the Jewish People Sprinzak Building
Hebrew University Givat RamJerusalem.The call number is PL/530
You may try to pay for a photocopy of the relevant page/s for Zolochov.
Yad Vashem they also had a copy of the telephone catalogue for all of Poland
in 1913. We will see if it will be available for the general public when
they
reopen.
Personally I find these catalogues very fascinating. But there is one source
even better - namely what is usually referred to as Business directories.
On
Jewishgen you can search the 1891 Galicia Business Directories. I once got
hold
of a around 1930 business directory for Lubaczow ( I haven't put it on my
site
yet). If there are five or six Jews with telephones in Lubaczow in 1932
there
are around 260 (!) Jewish listings on the business directory from the same
period.
In principle, the business directory is like the Yellow Pages, but without
telephones.
Are there earlier ones available? Would there be one for
> the town of Zolochev that I might access? We hear about the use of
vital
> records such as births, marriages and deaths but nothing about telephone
> catalogs which could be a useful source of info. Why is this?
>
By the way in Poland in Wroclaw there is supposed to be a Post and Telegraph
Museum where they have old Polish telephone catalogues.
In the thirties there woul be two catalogues covering the whole of Poland
- one
for Warsaw and one for the rest of the country ( including your Zolochov).
Eva
Message #19
Date: Fri Oct 22 00:02:19 1999
From: ak102@freenet.carleton.ca (Stanley Winthrop)
Subject: Re: Weintraub Family Webpage
To: tgelber@yahoo.com
Terry:
I find your new info very interesting. I grew up in Montreal. We were
the only Jewish Winthrops in Montreal. Does that mean my father is the
cousin referred to by Ruth Boritz? It seems to be the case. Will you
please ask Ruth whether the cousin's name was Joseph Winthrop (formerly
Jozef Weintraub) from Zloczow and Lwow. If so - how were they related.
On another point in your letter - You say that GR. Grandma Frieda was from
Austria originally. I would like to point out that all our ancestors were
from Austria originally since Galicia, which includes Lwow and
Zloczow, was part of the Austro-Hungarian empire before World War 1
and only became part of Poland after 1918. What was Frieda's family name?
Have we caught a big fish?
>Hi Stan,
>I just got a letter from my Great Aunt Myrtle's
>Daughter(Ruth Boritz). She said there was a Winthrop
>Cousin in Montreal. Also that my Gr. Grandma Frieda
>was from Austria originally. Ruth is about 75 years
>old.
Dear Terry,
I now remember that my father did have a cousin living in the Bronx
whose name was Ruth Flamenbaum. She also had a daughter whose name
I think was Muriel.Stan
Dear Stan,
This is rather interesting! In my second letter to
Ruth Boritz that I mailed a few days ago, my mom told
me to ask Ruth Boritz about our COUSIN Ruth Flamenbaum
in NY! I asked her in question 6 on my letter to her!
Someone has ESP! We do not know Ruth Boritz's health
at her age but she is responding well to my questions.
I will let you know what she says about Ruth F.
I looked at the family photos you posted on your page.
there is a strong resemblance with you and my
Grandfather, his brother, and brother's son.
Message #20
Date: Sat Oct 23 12:31:46 1999
From: ak102@freenet.carleton.ca (Stanley Winthrop)
Subject: Re: Weintraub Family Webpage
To: tgelber@yahoo.com
Dear Terry,
Paydirt! We are related. I have so few relatives left. The few that I have
are on my mother's side. There are none on my father's side that I am
aware of the family connection. Now we must find out how we are related.
I have ESP. I also have a good memory as I didn't remember Ruth Flamenbaum
at first and then it came to me later when you mentioned the cousin in
Montreal. When your mom mentioned "our cousin Ruth F. in NY" did she know
anything
more than that. Where in NY? How related? How old? Does she know the
daughter?
>My grandfather Usher went to Israel in 1951-1955 and
>stayed in Haifa with a relative--cousin or Uncle. I
>have his Israeli and US passports.
That is another coincidence or a possible family connection.
See Message #12 on the Weintraub Family Message Page. I also visited Adam
Weintraub in Haifa and he visited us in Montreal. There are other
Weintraubs in Haifa but they are not from Zloczow.
> >My mother has a sister Sylvia in Brooklyn, NY.
>Sylvia remembers going for ice cream with Ruth F. and
>Yossel from Canada.
"Yossel" would be Joseph Weintraub, my father, who visited Ruth F. on
several occasions. I remember ,vaguely, visiting her myself. She and her
daughter also visited us in Montreal and I have pictures to prove it. But
how were we related! If only I had asked my father before he died.
Waiting anxiously to learn how we are related. Stan
Message No. 21
Date: Fri Nov 5 08:02:26 1999
From: reisner@plearn.edu.pl (Yale J. Reisner)
Subject: Weintraubs of Zloczow and Lwow
-- - - - - -
1) The Jewish birth records of Zloczow and Lwow alike are, due to historic
circumstances, not in the Ukraine, but rather here in Warsaw. This
includes the Jewish birth records of both towns and the marriage records
for Zloczow. If you would like to retrieve your parents' documentation,
I
recommend that you write to the office that holds those records (English
is
OK, Polish is better) and explain your relationship to the individuals.
The adress is:
Archiwum Zabuzanskie
USC Warszawa-Srodmiescie
ul. Jezuicka 1/3 [skr. poczt. P-18]
00-950 Warsaw, Poland.
They are generally pretty good about responding.
Those documents should give you a lead as to where to seek earlier
generations' documents;
2) We have a copy here of the memorial book for the Zloczow Jewish
community. It lists as Holocaust victims Syma, Dawid and Chaja Weintraub.
Elsewhere in the ext (p. 197), there is a reference to the deportations
of
29 August 1942 when 2000 Zloczow Jews were taken to the Belzec
extermination camp. It mentions that Kranca Weintraub as offered an
opportunity to leave the transport on the condition that she leave her
infant son behind. She refused the offer and remained on the transport.
The memorial volume is unindexed, but it contains a tremendous amount of
information about the community. IF you knew anything about your family's
schooling, religious, political or Zionist affiliations, etc. I might be
able to find more detail in articles referring to specific institutions
in
Zloczow;
3) The survivor registrations conducted by the Central Committee of the
Jews in Poland [CKZP] in 1945-1947 show a handful of Wajntraubs from Lwow:
W-2612: Adam, son of Jakub & Klara
W-2639: Bernard, son of Nachman & Cyla
W-2717: Irene Kac Weintraub
W-2882: Szulim, son of Fiszel & Mincia [he's from Zloczow!!]
The Warsaw committee further registered:
28813: Jozef Weintraub, son of Filip & Roza (nee Bardach), Irene Kac's
husband.
Best wishes,
Yale J. Reisner
Ronald S. Lauder Foundation
Warsaw, Poland
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Message No. 22
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:57:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: ak102@freenet.carleton.ca (Stanley Winthrop)
Subject: Ruth Flamenbaum
To: tgelber@yahoo.com
I just received a copy of Ruth's SS-5 application form. You will recall
my previous e-mail when I told you I had found her name on the US social
security death Index web site.
The information on the SS-5 is as follows:
Address: 1791 Prospect Ave. Bx. 57 NY
Name at Birth: Ruth Leider
Date of Birth: March 28,1908
Place of Birth: Poland
Father's Name: Max Leider
Mother's Maiden Name: Esther Weintraub
Thats all there was. What do you make of it? I will anxiously await your
reply. Stan
Message No. 23:
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:11:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: tgelber@yahoo.com (Terry Gelber)
Subject: Re: Ruth Flamenbaum thoughts
To: ak102@freenet.carleton.ca
Dear Cousin Stan,
When I spoke w/Aunt Sylvia (my mom's sister) she said
we had relatives named Leitner/Leider! Just talked to
mom and she thinks this Esther Weintraub could
possibly be a sister to grandma Frieda. She said this
seems like the correct Ruth Flamenbaum.
Message No.24
Subject: weintraub/adam
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 11:30:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Terry Gelber <tgelber@yahoo.com>
To: winth@attcanada.ca
My mother Frieda Gelber just spoke with Hindi Greenbaum
and got some more info. Hindi is on vacation
presently.Hindi said Cousin Adam Enav changed his name from Adam
Weintraub and his father was Benjamin (the University
educated man).Hindi also mentioned Cousin Joe Weintraub in Canada!
Hindi will get us more info when she returns home.
Stanley Winthrop wrote:
>Who is Hindi Greenbaum? Is she related? The info she gave you about
>Cousin Adam Enav is identical to that found on my Web Page. Check it
>out. How would she know this? Is she related to Adam?
>Can you give me some more detailed info on your family tree on your
>mother's side? Was your mother's father Eddie Weintraub? Was Eddie's
>mother Freida Weintraub? If your great grandma's name was Weintraub
then
>that must have been her married name and not her maiden name. She
>therefore was possibly a sister-in -law and not a sister to Esther
>Weintraub who was Ruth F.'s mother.
Hindi is the niece of Ruth Flamenbaum. Hindi is the daughter of Ruth F.'s
sister
Clara. How Hindi knew of the Weintraub to Adam Enav
name change is another ESP that only a distant
relative would know! I do not know if she uses a
computer.Yes, my mother Frieda Gelber's father was Eddie
Weintraub (aka Usher aka Adolf). Eddie's mother was
Frieda Weintraub who is my gr. grandma.
We know that my Great grandfather Goedal Brandes died
about 1913 leaving Frieda w/2 year old Eddie and
siblings, so she had to find a second husband. She was
a successful baker by trade. Frieda could have
retained a maiden name which possibly could have been
Weintraub or used the 2nd husband's name which could
have been Weintraub.
Message No. 25
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 02:58:48 EST
From:RAROSE10@aol.com
To: p002464b@pb.seflin.org (Stanley Winthrop)
Subject: Last year I wrote to you about Weintraub
Last year or i999, I wrote to you about Weintraub and was wondering if you
have any new
information. I was and am looking for Max Jacob Weintraub born on 1863 Apr
29 and his wife
Rosa Wolf born 1868 Feb 2 in Ukraine. According to the Census of Cook County
(Chicago, Illinois)1900 they were to immigrate to this country in 1891.
I have looked at
LDS and on internet and could not find them anywhere.Since I wrote, I've
discovered that
the surname might be spelled Veintoub since they are from Ukraine. I finally
have enough
information when they lived and where they lived in Chicago but have nothing
on them in
Ukraine. That is why I am writing to you again. Can you put this letters
with yours also.
Thank you
Message No. 26
From: Stanley Winthrop <ak102@ncf.ca>
To: Josef A. Herz <josef@jaherz.com>
Subject: Re: Lemberg/Lwow/Lviv - 19th century BMD records
Date: Sunday, September 30, 2001 10:27 PM
Dear Josef:
I have already sent my donation to JRI AGAD PROJECT-ZLOCZOW.
Good luck. Stan
From: Josef A. Herz <josef@jaherz.com>
To: <ak102@freenet.carleton.ca>
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 9:42 PM
Subject: Lemberg/Lwow/Lviv - 19th century BMD records
Greetings - My name is Josef Herz, and I am the JRI-Poland town leader for
Lemberg/Lwow.
I am writing to you because my research indicated that you have an
genealogical interest in Lemberg/Lwow or the towns under it's
administrative control.The Polish State Archive has estimated that they
have approximately 107,000 BMD (birth-marriage-death) records from the
19th century forLemberg/Lwow and the towns under its administrative
control. The cost to index these records and make them available is
approximately $16,000 (USD).
Getting these 19th century records through the JRI-Poland
Lemberg/Lwow project is probably one of the most effective ways for
us to do our research as well as honor the memory and history of our
families who come from this city and area. If we all chip in and
contribute to this project we can all have ready access to our
ancestors records.
I hope that I can count on your support.
Josef Herz
JRI-Poland Town Leader - Lemberg/Lwow\
Message No. 27
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:38:22 EDT
From: Willie46@aol.com (Mark Halpern)
Subject: AGAD Update Part 3: The Great Galician Indexing Race
This is the last of three messages to bring interested researchers up
to date with the Jewish Records Indexing - Poland AGAD Archives project.
In two previous messages, I talked about 27 towns whose names appear on
the Indexing Priority List and 29 towns that have not been adopted by a
Town Leader. That leaves 22 towns whose Town Leaders are working very
hard to become listed on the Indexing Priority List.
These 23 towns are listed below with the name and e-mail address of
the Town Leader-------
" Zloczow Richard Gordon RGordon123@aol.com "
If you are interested in any of these towns or nearby towns whose vital
events may have been registered in these Administrative District towns,
please contact the Town Leader.
JRI-Poland is an independent non-profit tax-exempt organization. The
JRI-Poland web site, mailing list, and database are hosted by JewishGen.
Mark Halpern
AGAD Project Coordinator
JRI-Poland
Message No. 28
From:ak102@ncf.ca
To:glong@cuhsd.org
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 12:05 AM
Subject: Re: Leider???
Dear Gail:
Welcome to the club. Yes I think Leider could be Leiter or even Leitner.
Please check Message No 23 of my Message Page and you will see a reference
to a Leitner/Leider possibility. How are you related?
Please check my Web Page if you have not already done so.
Stan
From: Gail Long <glong@cuhsd.org <mailto:glong@cuhsd.org>>
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 11:14 PM
Subject: Leider???
Could Leider be Leiter???? The Sobel/Leiter families lived in Zolochev.
Gail Leiter Long
From: Stanley Winthrop <ak102@ncf.ca>
To: Gail Long <glong@cuhsd.org>
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: Related?
Gail:
Zolochev(Zloczow) had a population of about 20,000 arround 1900. About
10,000 were Jewish. The JFF shows four people looking for Weintraubs and
two looking for
Leiders. Nobody is looking for Leiter. A cousin who recently died was Ruth
Leider sp. Flamenbaum, whose father was Max Leider born in Zolochev.
The names you mentioned do not ring any bells. Sorry. Keep trying.
Stan
From: Gail Long <glong@cuhsd.org>
To: Stanley Winthrop <ak102@ncf.ca>
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 9:49 AM
Subject: Related?
Stan..
Don't know if we are related, but my father was born in the same town.
After Yom Kippur, I will read all the messages and see what I can figure
out. I know about a lot about Leiter, and through marriage Linder, Schalit
or
Schalet, Sirott, Oblas, Max, & Sobel but apparently their were other
woman I do not know who died in the holocaust.
My great-grand parents were Nachman Leiter & Sosie Siegal or Segall
or
Segal. Do they fit anything? They never came to the US.
Gail Leiter Long
Message No. 29
From: Stanley Winthrop <ak102@ncf.ca>
To: Shapiro <herman_s@netvision.net.il>
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [galicia] Re: contacting me
Dear Francine:
I trust your shoulder is feeling better. Can you give me the names again of
the people you were interested in connected with Zloczow (Zolochev) .
I seem to have misplaced them. With your permission I will add them to my
message page. ie: www.ncf.ca/~ak102. Somebody else may recognize them.
Its worth a try.
Stan
From: Shapiro <herman_s@netvision.net.il>
To: Stanley Winthrop <ak102@freenet.carleton.ca>
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 4:23 PM
Subject: RE: [galicia] Re: contacting me
A few months ago I contacted someone who is trying to
make a movie about Zoloczow from 1938-45. So that's OK.
The names are WITMAN or WITTMAN and SCHALIT.
Arm is all better, thanks.
Message No. 30
From: william weintraub <billycpa@bellsouth.net>
To: <ak102@freenet.carleton.ca>
Cc: <registry@mail.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 6:37 PM
Subject: JewishGen Holocaust Global Registry - AGED,Mark
Hello. My Weintraub family comes from the town of Grodek which
is about
35 miles from L'viv. In Grodek there were many Weintraub and, in paritcular,
I see a connection with "Agid" family. Perhaps your family, before 1930's,
was from Grodek?
Your comments would be appreciated.
Thank you.
=======================================================
Email posted from JewishGen Holocaust Global Registry
Dear William:
Thank you for the email. As you probably know the name Weintraub was very
common in central Europe. My family comes from Zolochev (Zloczow) which
is
about 60 miles sowthwest of L'viv. Please visit my Webpage,
www.ncf.ca/~ak102/, which is called "Searching Weintraubs from Zolochev".
A
crosslink called the "Message Page" contains references to Mark Aged. In
particular read Messages 13,16 and 17 which pertain to Mark Aged and clearly
distinquish between the names "Agid" and "Aged". I used to know a William
Weintraub in Montreal when I was a student at Mcgill. He would be about
70yrs old by now. Not you? With your permission I will put your message
on
my Web Page. Who knows you might luck out.
Keep trying. Good luck.
Stan
Message No. 31
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 10:10 PM
Subject: Zloczow Vital Records
TO: ALL WEINTRAUB COUSINS
FRIEDA GELBER
TERRY GELBER
HINDY GREENBAUM
ESTELLE LASTER
ADAM ENAV
FROM: STAN WINTHROP
SUBJECT: ZLOCZOW VITAL RECORDS
Dear Cousins:
I have now completed my analysis of the Zloczow Vital Records that
have recently been published on the Internet by Jewish Records Indexing-Poland.
If you have access to the Internet you can view them by clicking on the
following web address and then searching for Weintraub in the town of Zloczow:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/index.htm
There are sixteen pages of births, deaths and marriages. I found 22
records that will be of interest as follows:
Ester Mirel Weintraub (for Hindy and Estelle) - 13 records-9 births,4 deaths.
Abraham Lazer Weintraub (for Adam) - 9 records-6 births,1 death,2 marriage.
Joseph Weintraub (for Stanley) - 0 records - The year 1898 was missing.
For those of you that don't have access to the Internet I will be mailing
you copies of the relevant pages. Briefly the records of interest are as
follows:
Name Record Sex
Year
Father
Mother
For Hindy and Estelle:
Czarny Birth
F 1884
Schulim Kandel
Ester Mirel Weintraub
Chajm Birth
M 1886
ditto
ditto
Basie Birth
F 1888
ditto
ditto
Jakob Birth
M 1889
ditto
ditto
Hersch Birth
M 1891
ditto
ditto
Hersch Death
M 1892
ditto
ditto
Israel Birth
M 1894
no name
ditto
Israel Death
M 1895
Schulim Kandel
ditto
Klara Birth
F 1896
no name
ditto
Klara Death
F 1896
Markus Leider
ditto
Adolf Birth
M 1897
no name
ditto
Czarny Death
F 1897
Schulim Kandel
ditto
Salomon Birth
M 1899
Markus Leider
ditto
Josef
For Adam Enav:
Beila Birth
F 1884
Abraham Lazer Weintraub Frime Leya Smolinska
Ziwje Birth
F 1884
ditto ditto
Susel
Josel Birth
M 1886
ditto ditto
Josel Death
M 1887
ditto ditto
Nuchim Birth
M 1888
ditto ditto
Benjamin Birth
M 1890
ditto ditto
Markus
Pesia Birth
F 1895
ditto ditto
Abraham Marriage M
1897 Mojzesz Josef Weintraub
Ruchel Weintraub
Lazer
Weintraub (40 yr)
Frime Marriage
F 1897
Josel Smolinska
Sara Jutte Smolinska
Leya
Smolinska (37 yr)
For Stan Winthrop
Nothing. I will not give up.
Message No. 32
To: Frieda Gelber ; Terry ; ljlast@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 5:26 PM
Subject: New Descendents Chart
TO ALL WEINTRAUB COUSINS
FRIEDA GELBER
TERRY GELBER
HINDY GREENBAUM
ESTELLE LASTER
ADAM ENAV
FROM: STAN WINTHROP
SUBJECT: NEW DESCENDENTS CHART
Dear Cousins:
Please find attached the new Weintraub Family Descendents chart which has
been updated to reflect the new information from the recent publication
of the Zloczow Vital Records. You will note the most interesting and useful
addition is that of our great grandparents ie: Mojzesz Josef Weintraub and
Ruchel Weintraub. I believe and will attempt to prove that we are all descended
from these two people. I believe that my grandfather (name unknown),Freida
Weintraub,Ester Mirel Weintraub and Abraham Lazer Weintraub were siblings(brothers
and sisters). My father,Joseph Weintraub, Ruth Flamenbaum and Benjamin Markus
Weintraub were first cousins and Frieda Gelber, Hindy Greenbaum , Adam Enav
and Stanley Winthrop are second cousins.
There were very few marriages recorded in the state records. Most Jewish
marriages were recorded in the Synagogues and were never recorded in the
State Archives. (AGAD). Thanks to Abraham Lazer Weintraub who recorded his
marriage in the AGAD we know who are paternal and maternal great grandparents
are.
I will continue searching the records for more info as they are published.
Keep well.
Your second cousin Shimshon ben Josef, Stachiew, or Stanislass
Message No. 33
From: Rhodaseifert@aol.com
To: ak102@freenet.carleton.ca
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 10:27 AM
Subject: /weintraub/winthrope
Hi Stanley,
Adelle Gloger gave me your name. I will try to give
you some of
the history that I know. My dad came to the states at age 16 before
the war and never really talked about past history. His older brother
was on the last boat out of Italy (went to school there) into Australia
before the war broke out. He was a doctor of medicine, philosophy
and
languages. He changed his name to Winthrope to anglizise it so that
patients would come to him. After the war he did very well because
he
spoke so many languages that all the immigrants came to him. They
found
one brother that survived the war and he was able to get to Australia first.
Adelle was wrong in that she said I just discovered them. I knew of
them
all these years. My son went there 4 times and I went in 2004.
Anyway, my cousin did some research and I can give you some of his
notes.
My great grandfather was Israel Weintraub. He had 6 children:
Joyne (Yoyne),
Wally, Rachel (Married to Chaim Heitzer), unknown name 6ft. tall brother
who was
a glazier, unknown name wheat merchant. My grandfather, Josef, married
Rozia (Rachel) Bogen
who's maiden name was Reitzis. The family was from Lwow. I also
heard that there was
a rabbi in the family. I know this isn't much, but if you're interested,
I can give you the e-mail
address of my cousin in Australia. He visited some relatives in Israel
that gave him some information.
I'm looking forward to hearing from you. Perhaps we are related.
Fondly Rhoda